Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Ihavewaffles]

Says the creep defending genocide and daily blasting of civilians with month old propaganda.

Russian forces are genociding the Russians civilians in Eastern n Southern Ukraine?

If media told you Putin eats babies, you would believe it.

[Easo]

Speaking of Nazis, Wagner (led by an actual Nazi, not a pretend one) is reportedly arranging to bring in Libyan mercenaries now to fight for Russia.

I really do not see the point, they would have different battle experience, they do not know language plus, of course, very different climate to fight in. Russia has lines of volunteers with experience ready to go "fight some nazis", but they are not being accepted. While we can argue that Middle East cannon fodder leaves less cargo 200 arriving at home thus less dissent the usefulness of them is... questionable.

Imho, it's the same level of bullshit as 16k Syrian fighters, just to prove to West that Russia can do " tens of thousands of foreign volunteers" as well.

[Gorsameth]

I dare say this, and every other commander kill, has been the direct impact of intel they will be getting from US/other parties.
'Cutting the head off the snake' kinda thing.

Sure, and in one case I believe they said it was unsecure communication that allowed them to pinpoint a command post and take out another general. But that still doesn't answer the question why a senior naval officer was even on land in a warzone to begin with. I assume they didn't kill him on his ship or we would have heard about that?

[Vorkreist]

Does not really change they are nazis.

And how does that justify what the russians are doing ? Its like saying you need to bomb all american civilians because proudboys exist.

Its kinda funny how strongly united right wingers and tankoids got over this. You can see the same turd propaganda points vomited by each of them like they just retweet the daily kremlin newsletters.

[Gaidax]

this is about winning people over for after the war

Haha that's some biggest load of bullshit ever.

Here's the news, buddy - Russia is not going to be winning over any people in Ukraine. I find it ironic that of all things Russia bombed the shit out of eastern and ethnic Russian cities to dust.

Of all the fuckups Russia did with this - public opinion of the actual Ukrainian citizens is the biggest fuckup. It's not going to recover, because Russia is literally Nazi Germany for Ukrainians now. You aren't going to be winning over anything there.

[Corvus]

Sure, and in one case I believe they said it was unsecure communication that allowed them to pinpoint a command post and take out another general. But that still doesn't answer the question why a senior naval officer was even on land in a warzone to begin with. I assume they didn't kill him on his ship or we would have heard about that?

One Russian source is saying he was not really a desk officer and was leading naval infantry in combat when he was killed.

[uuuhname]

Russian forces are genociding the Russians civilians in Eastern n Southern Ukraine?

they're certainly indiscriminately killing them, not sure how that makes what Russia is doing in any way defensible.

it's really not that not hard to condemn war crimes, it's the easiest thing in the world, the bar is on the ground with dirt kicked on it.

[Veggie50]

Gott im himmel! They must be shitty Nazi's fighting on the side of a Jew.

Well… technically “nazi” is just short for national-socialism and isn’t inherently anti semitic. That was just a defining point of the German Nazi movement, which was the first Nazi regime the world saw.

Not to say these guys ARE Nazis… thats just the Russian propaganda machine producing a casus belli.

[Ivanstone]

If media told you Putin eats babies, you would believe it.

I don't think Putin eats babies. That's silly.

I do think that he gives active support to far right politicians around the globe because he too is a far right politician.

Know who was also a far right politician? Hitler.

[Vorkreist]

Russian forces are genociding the Russians civilians in Eastern n Southern Ukraine?

If media told you Putin eats babies, you would believe it.

The tons of proof are western propaganda ? Billions worth of hollywood production to make fake videos right ? And also of course every observers and all the reports are fake , the witnesses the millions of refugee and even the acts russia officially admitted doing are fake ?
Please open the kremlin news bulletin to check and get back to me with an explanation.

[Okacz]

Russian forces are genociding the Russians civilians in Eastern n Southern Ukraine?

If media told you Putin eats babies, you would believe it.

While I believe you don't have the best intentions, and most of the stuff you're spewing is kind of disgusting, I can't help but ask: do you believe ALL of the after-bombardment pictures that you can easily find right now in the internet are falsified? Picture of bombed hospitals and other civilian facilities. Recent picture of leveled theatre in Mariupol (the one that was used to shelter civilians and had a huge word CHILDREN written on it). So it's all fake, and russian forces haven't even once targeted civilians in this conflict? Is that what you're suggesting?

[PACOX]

Why yes it is huge, I just don't get the connection here, like why are we digging on Azov particularly right now? I assumed it is because of the news I posted earlier about russian MoD claiming Azov is going to use chemical weapons against their own citizens to incite NATO response?

The West under sells Azov and Russia oversells them. The reason Russia can oversell them because most people in the West don't know anything about Azov battalion, the conflict in Ukraine that existed before this current war or that Azov Battalion is even a Nazi battalion, so Russia can use the shock value of all of that for brief reprise.

Is Azov an issue? Technically yes but they are not remotely the biggest or immediate problem that Russia is. Maybe Russia could have spun their 'de-nazification' nonsense (I'm not saying it's a legitimate excuse but one you could sell to the masses) if they just stayed in eastern Ukraine. But Putin went well beyond the limits of the bullshit excuse he could have played because the neo-nazis 'threat' is not a thing in western Ukraine where he can't make the claim Nazis are doing whatever to Russians. You can argue that Azov Battalion, should it survive the war, will have an opportunity to be a menace in the normal post-war vaccum. I like how he (Putin) does not acknowledge that pro-Russian separatists won't likely be a menace in Ukraine after Russia pulls out. He also ignores that war and hardship are the recruiting tools for Nazis so good at curbing neo-nazis influence Putin...


Its really all related to the war or information and how either side, right or wrong, will report on reality in a way that benefits their position.

[Vorkreist]

they're certainly indiscriminately killing them, not sure how that makes what Russia is doing in any way defensible.

it's really not that not hard to condemn war crimes, it's the easiest thing in the world, the bar is on the ground with dirt kicked on it.

Notice how he thinks he's some lvl 100 smartass referring to the genocided ukrainians as russians.

[Mehrunes]

While I believe you don't have the best intentions, and most of the stuff you're spewing is kind of disgusting, I can't help but ask: do you believe ALL of the after-bombardment pictures that you can easily find right now in the internet are falsified? Picture of bombed hospitals and other civilian facilities. Recent picture of leveled theatre in Mariupol (the one that was used to shelter civilians and had a huge word CHILDREN written on it). So it's all fake, and russian forces haven't even once targeted civilians in this conflict? Is that what you're suggesting?

Not to mention the part where the comment about Russia killing civilians by @Saradain that spawned all of this was by no means limited to Russian operations in eastern Ukraine that has a significant Russian population. So even putting aside that there are still ethnic Ukrainians there anyway (not that the War Crime Incorporated known as the Russian army ever bothered to check whether they are killing Russian civilians living in Ukraine or ethnic Ukrainian civilians) these "creative" "So you're saying Putin is going out of his way to specifically kill Russians in Mariupol? Why would he do that??!?!" attempts at bending over backwards by Ihavewaffles over the last few pages still crumble into dust the moment you look at other parts of Ukraine where the actions of Russian forces are bound to affect ethnic Ukrainians. It's a shit take all around.

[Slant]

Jesus christ guys, Russia isn't loosing, Ukraine is loosing heavy numbers n whatever is left of their airforce is hiding in some barn prob like a scared lil kitten.

If Kremlin wanted to annihilate Ukr forces, they would have done so already, this takes time cuz fighting is in Russian populated oblasts, also there's lots of Russians in Ukr forces, many forcibly conscripted, also many Ukr don't want to fight..this is about winning people over for after the war. This isn't some RTS computer game trying to get achievs for winning in record time...

If this had been against some country that Russia don't consider brethren, there would have been a much heavier hand.

Lol all this Russia is loosing..did Baghdad Bob get a job for western news?...


Whatever happened to that guy anyways??

Even heavier than attacking civilians indiscriminantly as they are doing now? What the hell are you smoking?

[Easo]

Even heavier than attacking civilians indiscriminantly as they are doing now? What the hell are you smoking?

Take a look at Aleppo, Raqqa. Add some thermobarics. Add rolling artillery bombardments. Drop some gas.
Yes, yes Slant, there are so many more ways to go...

[Zaydin]

It would not if said president is in active war zone. No one would go to war over Biden dying in Ukraine. Would there be response? Yes.

Do you really think Russia would be able to get away with killing the President of the United States? It might not be a declaration of war on NATO but it would be a declaration of war on the United States.

Do you really think that if Putin visited some other country and someone walked up to him and shot him a dozen times in the face that Russia wouldn't retaliate?

[s_bushido]

Well… technically “nazi” is just short for national-socialism and isn’t inherently anti semitic. That was just a defining point of the German Nazi movement, which was the first Nazi regime the world saw.

idk man... Don't want to derail the thread over it, but I think that's about as inaccurate as saying that the "American civil war was just about states' rights." There wouldn't be Nazism without the antisemitism.

[Easo]

Do you really think Russia would be able to get away with killing the President of the United States? It might not be a declaration of war on NATO but it would be a declaration of war on the United States.

Do you really think that if Putin visited some other country and someone walked up to him and shot him a dozen times in the face that Russia wouldn't retaliate?

Start WW3 over one person? Not a realistic proposition. I mean, humans are stupid so it might lead to WW3, but otherwise with a bit of rational thinking - no.
Something somewhere in Russia might explode, someone might get sniped outside of Russia. But not a war over someone deciding to travel to warzone.
Also - he won't travel there anyway.

[Gaidax]

The West under sells Azov and Russia oversells them. The reason Russia can oversell them because most people in the West don't know anything about Azov battalion, the conflict in Ukraine that existed before this current war or that Azov Battalion is even a Nazi battalion, so Russia can use the shock value of all of that for brief reprise.

Is Azov an issue? Technically yes but they are not remotely the biggest or immediate problem that Russia is. Maybe Russia could have spun their 'de-nazification' nonsense (I'm not saying it's a legitimate excuse but one you could sell to the masses) if they just stayed in eastern Ukraine. But Putin went well beyond the limits of the bullshit excuse he could have played because the neo-nazis 'threat' is not a thing in western Ukraine where he can't make the claim Nazis are doing whatever to Russians. You can argue that Azov Battalion, should it survive the war, will have an opportunity to be a menace in the normal post-war vaccum. I like how he (Putin) does not acknowledge that pro-Russian separatists won't likely be a menace in Ukraine after Russia pulls out. He also ignores that war and hardship are the recruiting tools for Nazis so good at curbing neo-nazis influence Putin...


Its really all related to the war or information and how either side, right or wrong, will report on reality in a way that benefits their position.

The whole Nazis line is just a justification to sell at home to awaken patriotic fury. WW2 is a strong sell there, national pride, so trying to sell this as Russia yet again fighting Nazis like back in the glory days is a good choice for propaganda there.

Azov is a problem and after the war its influence will grow, thanks to Putin's incompetence of both putting them on pedestal and supplying them with target dummies to blow up, which is a concern not to be overlooked. It's not just "technically" an issue - it is an issue.

But it's also absolutely not what this war is about, it's only a convenient excuse Russia dug out. A smokescreen.