Russian invasion of Ukraine

[s_bushido]

Well… technically “nazi” is just short for national-socialism and isn’t inherently anti semitic. That was just a defining point of the German Nazi movement, which was the first Nazi regime the world saw.

idk man... Don't want to derail the thread over it, but I think that's about as inaccurate as saying that the "American civil war was just about states' rights." There wouldn't be Nazism without the antisemitism.

[Easo]

Do you really think Russia would be able to get away with killing the President of the United States? It might not be a declaration of war on NATO but it would be a declaration of war on the United States.

Do you really think that if Putin visited some other country and someone walked up to him and shot him a dozen times in the face that Russia wouldn't retaliate?

Start WW3 over one person? Not a realistic proposition. I mean, humans are stupid so it might lead to WW3, but otherwise with a bit of rational thinking - no.
Something somewhere in Russia might explode, someone might get sniped outside of Russia. But not a war over someone deciding to travel to warzone.
Also - he won't travel there anyway.

[Gaidax]

The West under sells Azov and Russia oversells them. The reason Russia can oversell them because most people in the West don't know anything about Azov battalion, the conflict in Ukraine that existed before this current war or that Azov Battalion is even a Nazi battalion, so Russia can use the shock value of all of that for brief reprise.

Is Azov an issue? Technically yes but they are not remotely the biggest or immediate problem that Russia is. Maybe Russia could have spun their 'de-nazification' nonsense (I'm not saying it's a legitimate excuse but one you could sell to the masses) if they just stayed in eastern Ukraine. But Putin went well beyond the limits of the bullshit excuse he could have played because the neo-nazis 'threat' is not a thing in western Ukraine where he can't make the claim Nazis are doing whatever to Russians. You can argue that Azov Battalion, should it survive the war, will have an opportunity to be a menace in the normal post-war vaccum. I like how he (Putin) does not acknowledge that pro-Russian separatists won't likely be a menace in Ukraine after Russia pulls out. He also ignores that war and hardship are the recruiting tools for Nazis so good at curbing neo-nazis influence Putin...


Its really all related to the war or information and how either side, right or wrong, will report on reality in a way that benefits their position.

The whole Nazis line is just a justification to sell at home to awaken patriotic fury. WW2 is a strong sell there, national pride, so trying to sell this as Russia yet again fighting Nazis like back in the glory days is a good choice for propaganda there.

Azov is a problem and after the war its influence will grow, thanks to Putin's incompetence of both putting them on pedestal and supplying them with target dummies to blow up, which is a concern not to be overlooked. It's not just "technically" an issue - it is an issue.

But it's also absolutely not what this war is about, it's only a convenient excuse Russia dug out. A smokescreen.

[JohnBrown1917]

And how does that justify what the russians are doing ? .

Not at all.

[postman1782]

Uhm, its all over western news, O didn't know Rusdia had such a stranglehold on ur media, cool story bro

U even have people here making eccuses "he only suspended parties (democracy) "temorarly" bro!"
Like that's the weakest defense...pathetic.

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Mods should totally infract me for saying banning political parties is a bad thing.

When they are traitors to your country, yes, they should be fucking banned.

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No, banning 11 political parties means its a dictatorship.

Since ur playing games, lets google the word dictatorship to see what we find:

A dictatorship is a form of government characterized by a single leader (dictator) or group of leaders that hold government power promised to the people and little or no toleration for political pluralism or independent media.

If you are cheering for your invaders, as a political party from your country, then you aren't anything but a fucking traitor anymore.

[Mihalik]

The news now is that as Ukrainian civilians refuse to evacuate towards Russia, the Russians started "evacuating" them by force. So now they escalated to kidnappings.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...rted-to-russia

Wonder how long before they start ransoming Ukrainian civilians for dollars and euros.

[ruwshtyb]

The first casualty of war is truth. Here is a website that is created for debunking all the fakes.


https://waronfakes.com/

[Mihalik]

Yep. Pointed this out earlier today when people were debating nonsense.

I'm calling it now...Soon we will be getting Russian propaganda videos of "grateful" Ukrainians thanking Vladimir Putin for "rescuing" them....while holding up today's newspaper.

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The first casualty of war is truth. Here is a website that is created for debunking all the fakes.


https://waronfakes.com/

Shillcker, is that you on a burner? GTFO with your Russian propaganda website.

[PhaelixWW]

The first casualty of war is truth. Here is a website that is created for debunking all the fakes.

https://waronfakes.com/

whois waronfakes.com?



Yeah, sure.

Russian propaganda sewage.

[PACOX]

The news now is that as Ukrainian civilians refuse to evacuate towards Russia, the Russians started "evacuating" them by force. So now they escalated to kidnappings.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...rted-to-russia

Wonder how long before they start ransoming Ukrainian civilians for dollars and euros.

Forcibliy removing civilians (and now refugees) is yet another 'normal' thing in war that will bite western nations in the ass down the line if outlets keep trying to sell it some abnormal act.

The same people saying "WTF??" now will turn around and call you all kinds of crap when you call out xyz western country for doing it.

[Easo]

The first casualty of war is truth. Here is a website that is created for debunking all the fakes.


https://waronfakes.com/

Are you fucking shitting us?
https://waronfakes.com/mo-rf/fake-russia-used-grad/

Grads are not being used? Kek lol bur. Seems like the site is made with the idea of using grains of truth to hide the rest. Sure, there are fakes being disseminated on the internet, old photos and videos. This "truth" site is using only such cases by a quick glance over it, and nothing else.

[jonnysensible]

Forcibliy removing civilians (and now refugees) is yet another 'normal' thing in war that will bite western nations in the ass down the line if outlets keep trying to sell it some abnormal act.

The same people saying "WTF??" now will turn around and call you all kinds of crap when you call out xyz western country for doing it.

provide examples, there is a particularly barf inducing trend in your posting where you want to both sides it but know you will be flamed into oblivion if you are too obvious

[Mihalik]

Forcibliy removing civilians (and now refugees) is yet another 'normal' thing in war that will bite western nations in the ass down the line if outlets keep trying to sell it some abnormal act.

The same people saying "WTF??" now will turn around and call you all kinds of crap when you call out xyz western country for doing it.

Wait. The US's rendition program has been pretty consistently condemned, in hindsight often even by people who at the time very much supported it. But to my knowledge no Western nation has engaged in forced deportations of civilians since basically the Vietnam war.

[Collegeguy]

Forcibliy removing civilians (and now refugees) is yet another 'normal' thing in war that will bite western nations in the ass down the line if outlets keep trying to sell it some abnormal act.

The same people saying "WTF??" now will turn around and call you all kinds of crap when you call out xyz western country for doing it.

Whataboutism is already Russian family tradition.

[Unholyground]

Putin is gonna die soon along with his generals.

[PhaelixWW]

You mean forced deportations of civilian citizens I think.

Isn't this more like forced importation rather than deportation, anyway?

I mean, sure, they're leaving Ukraine, but Russian soldiers are essentially kidnapping foreign citizens into Russia.

[Vankrys]

Start WW3 over one person? Not a realistic proposition. I mean, humans are stupid so it might lead to WW3, but otherwise with a bit of rational thinking - no.
Something somewhere in Russia might explode, someone might get sniped outside of Russia. But not a war over someone deciding to travel to warzone.
Also - he won't travel there anyway.

The president of the United States doesn't just travel abroad on a whim. If POTUS decide to to go to Ukraine, which is always possible, there would be hundred of secret service agents going a week before, securing the selected itineraries and maintaining a safety perimeter. Air force one would be escorted by the air force, and on the ground, he would travel on special armored car. Since it's a hot war zone, a company of marines would probably accompany him for protection. Moreover, Russian intelligence would be warned of the president travel and general location, so they can cease fire accordingly.
An assassination attempt on POTUS under these conditions would not be just a random event, it would take a well planned and rehearse endeavor. And yes, i do believe a premeditated assassination of POTUS would be taken as an act of war.

[Poopymonster]

Isn't this more like forced importation rather than deportation, anyway?

I mean, sure, they're leaving Ukraine, but Russian soldiers are essentially kidnapping foreign citizens into Russia.

Impossible Comrade Phaelix. How can you be sent to Russia when they've never left it in the first place?

#KnowYourPropaganda

[Gaidax]

There is a new report in Ukrainian news source that Russia allowed Belarus to not repay debts for another 5 years.

I imagine Russia is buying off Belarus to give it a more active hand in war.

[Easo]

Putin is gonna die soon along with his generals.

Is that a statement or a wish?

The president of the United States doesn't just travel abroad on a whim. If POTUS decide to to go to Ukraine, which is always possible, there would be hundred of secret service agent going a week before, securing the place and maintaining a perimeter. Air force one would be escorted by the air force, and on the ground, he would travel on special armored car. Since it's a hot war zone, a company of marine would probably accompany him for protection. Moreover, Russian intelligence would be warned of the president travel, so they can cease fire accordingly.
An assassination attempt on POTUS under this condition is not just a random event, it's a well planned and rehearse action. And yes, i do believe a premeditated assassination of POTUS would be taken as an act of war.

I am more talking about a missile strike, even one gone wrong, or even Ukrainian AA going somewhere else, marines won't help with that much. War did not stop when PM's of European countries arrived by train. POTUS can also forget about flying in, not like such option still remains.
But yes, one should assume that Russia would try to leave Kiev alone.

There is a new report in Ukrainian news source that Russia allowed Belarus to not repay debts for another 5 years.

I imagine Russia is buying off Belarus to give it a more active hand in war.

It's much more official one - Finance Minister of Belarus. Reported on Lenta and others, which I can't open, because fucking Russian site blocks. 5-6 years.

Россия отсрочила Беларуси погашение обязательств по госкредитам на 5-6 лет

Об этом заявил министр финансов республики Юрий Селиверстов.

https://lenta.ru/news/2022/03/20/kredit/