Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Shalcker]

Russian army must be badly mismanaged then.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKBN27P13H
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50184909

Yes, that happens in Russia as well.

Conscription means all kinds of people end up in army, both those willing to mistreat others for various reasons and those that can snap under such treatment; and they all have access to deadly weaponry.

[Gaidax]

Russian army must be badly mismanaged then.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKBN27P13H
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50184909

Not news to anyone, most of ex-Soviet republics and that includes Russia and Ukraine have badly mismanaged regular army.

You have generals there who are little more than common thieves and many siphon off equipment and facilities for their own benefit. Then the conscripts are their own bunch of trouble - intimidation and coercion there is rife and you don't want to end on the wrong end of the cliques and "traditions" rolling there unrestrained for many decades. Being a good guy does not work there.

Anyone who can dodge draft - does so and for the good reason.

[Easo]

Gjedovschina is mostly gone by now, though, in Russia and afaik in Ukraine too. Excesses such as these are rare.
Gaidax, Russian regulars are overall doing fine now. The good old "build dacha for the general" is pretty much a thing of the past.

[Gaidax]

Gjedovschina is mostly gone by now, though, in Russia and afaik in Ukraine too. Excesses such as these are rare.
Gaidax, Russian regulars are overall doing fine now. The good old "build dacha for the general" is pretty much a thing of the past.

All still there can assure you. Just recently read some amusing piece on that about how various bases use their facilities. Same goes for thievery and such - Russia is huge, nobody cares to really see what's going on in various bases hell knows where.

Ukraine same same, really, corruption is rife. I bet much of this military assistance they get will end up in hands of hell knows who for $$ resold by various "generals" and their friends.

It's dedovschina btw.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Well at least we know whatever Putin does he has the approval of 80% of Russians surveyed if I remember correctly.

[Belize]

Well at least we know whatever Putin does he has the approval of 80% of Russians surveyed if I remember correctly.

105% of all Russians also voted for him, he's so popular.

People are literally falling out of windows in support of him!

[Doctor Amadeus]

105% of all Russians also voted for him, he's so popular.

People are literally falling out of windows in support of him!

https://www.gallup-international.com...al-Leaders.pdf Page 7 79% of Russians Approve of Putin

It's a Gallup Poll and fairly reliable in the States.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Polls like those are kinda silly when people have been getting prison sentences for over a decade when they criticize Putin.

Have they?

I mean I have for sure heard of Putin killing and targeting his rivals, but over all he is well loved and liked in Russia, Not like Irag or Afganistan where the people didn't have much freedom of choice. So any conflict in Ukraine or anywhere else is pretty well understood from the Russian perspective.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Pussy. Riot.

Are they targeted because they criticize him or because they perform in away the majority of Russia disapproves of?

Not saying I know either way or suggesting, because I don't. But Putin is HUGLY HUGLY popular in Russia

[Edge-]

Not saying I know either way or suggesting, because I don't. But Putin is HUGLY HUGLY popular in Russia

Da, comrade. Putin is my favorite person on the Citadel. And I say this not because I risk falling down 23 flights of stairs onto 12 knives that just happened to be laying blade-up at the bottom.

[Forogil]

https://www.gallup-international.com...al-Leaders.pdf Page 7 79% of Russians Approve of Putin

It's a Gallup Poll and fairly reliable in the States.

I guess the number '2017' is significant. His support has declined in recent years, https://www.statista.com/statistics/...rating-russia/

65% isn't catastrophic either (which is good), and even if some might lie there are still a significant number that support him. Part of that is due to propaganda - and part is that it was messier before him.

[YUPPIE]

Again, your proof that he’s massively popular is entirely based on respondents knowing he’s a murderous asshole

barring the dissident bit, as Russian citizens could not fathom their great leader being evil, the part of Putin being a murderous asshole is actually seen as a sign of strength, him being seen as a leader who takes shit from no one.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Your “insights” are about as useful as a screen door on a submarine. Stick to pretending you don’t understand the obvious instead of nation bashing.

Well people love Trump and Desantis for the same reason.

Their approval among their party is in the 70s

[Gaidax]

Putin's approval ratings are genuinely high.

Now you can of course say it's because he had decades of information and education to steer it in that direction in addition to removing credible opposition and you'd be somewhat right. But it does not change the end result anyway.

[Mayhem]

Putin's approval ratings are genuinely high.

Now you can of course say it's because he had decades of information and education to steer it in that direction in addition to removing credible opposition and you'd be somewhat right. But it does not change the end result anyway.

Approval ratings in a dictatorship are kind of meaningless.

[Forogil]

Approval ratings in a dictatorship are kind of meaningless.

Not entirely, if the approval ratings go low enough there might be a coup.

The dictator knows that - and that's why they aim for at least ok-ish approval ratings.

[Mayhem]

Not entirely, if the approval ratings go low enough there might be a coup.

The dictator knows that - and that's why they aim for at least ok-ish approval ratings.

So dictators do stuff that keeps their people somewhat "happy" to not get murdered. Yeah, or they indoctrinate them to not murder them, or they simply control the polls and re-educate the ones that thought about giving a bad approval rating.

Meaningless

[Shalcker]

So dictators do stuff that keeps their people somewhat "happy" to not get murdered. Yeah, or they indoctrinate them to not murder them, or they simply control the polls and re-educate the ones that thought about giving a bad approval rating.

"Simply control the polls" is recipe to be blindsided - like in case of Lukashenko when he had to scramble against sudden rebellion and wasn't sure who still supported him.

Putin keeps polls more or less independent and reacts to them to avoid that - sometimes with preemptive (or reactive) crackdowns (like in case of Navalny when he started to flirt with street protests a bit too often), sometimes with genuine responses to various worries.

As another example, Medvedev-Putin switch was based on poll data; if Medvedev would poll better then Putin he would stay President for longer.

[Easo]

All still there can assure you. Just recently read some amusing piece on that about how various bases use their facilities. Same goes for thievery and such - Russia is huge, nobody cares to really see what's going on in various bases hell knows where.

Ukraine same same, really, corruption is rife. I bet much of this military assistance they get will end up in hands of hell knows who for $$ resold by various "generals" and their friends.

It's dedovschina btw.

It's not comparable to what it was, far from it. Sure it is still Russia, blah blah, but we really need to meme less. Even in Putin's tsardom someone is regularly put in jail for this. When you start switching to professional army most contractors are not going to build your dacha, no matter how much rank you try to pull, especially when there is pressure from the very top about clearing shit up. After all, they need the army to protect said top
P.S.
It actually is дедовщина if we want to smartass and I can't be bothered to check the grammar too much when writing in translit.

Last I checked it was on the rise in Russia. Probably something to do with where Putin is taking things.

And what would be the source for that...? Just to be clear, are we talking about hazing/stealing from army/both?

Approval ratings in a dictatorship are kind of meaningless.

Yes, but that doesn't change that Putin generally is popular. You have to accept that.

[JohnBrown1917]

Approval ratings in a dictatorship are kind of meaningless.

An unpopular dictatorship runs the risk of being overthrown a lot more.