Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Elegiac]

You can I don't know read the rest of the post and find out.

The only argument you've given against it is pointing out that people fail to heed that imperative and act hypocritically sometimes, not that there isn't one.

[Vankrys]

Do you not realize how much you contradict yourself? the goal of the sanctions are to bring Russia to the negotiating table and that means compromising to end hostilities.

you are being naive. The sanctions are a golden opportunity to send a major adversary back 10 years. Russia opened the door for it, the US obliged and the world applauded.
Being sold as an instrument for peace is just the cherry on top.

[Draco-Onis]

The only argument you've given against it is pointing out that people fail to heed that imperative and act hypocritically sometimes, not that there isn't one.

Feel free to continue talking to yourself since you can't or won't read anything I write.

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you are being naive. The sanctions are a golden opportunity to send a major adversary back 10 years. Russia opened the door for it, the US obliged and the world applauded.
Being sold as an instrument for peace is just the cherry on top.

The world can seldom afford these sanctions long term they have major ramifications world wide politically. The average person is only going to care about Ukraine for a limited amount of time before blaming their politicians for their gas, food and other things being too costly.

[Gaidax]

Zelensky said that he is ready to discuss Crimea and Donbas with Putin, but not at the first meeting.
He also noted that both are hard history for everyone, this question should be solved after receiving guarantees for safety of Ukraine.
@Gaidax - as you said.

Yeah, it is pretty obvious to anyone with a lick of common sense.

It is also a way out of this mess, unlike some fantasies about Ukraine's pushing Russia out militarily.

In the end Russia and Ukraine will have to make a deal, the only question is when Russia will decide it got all the chips for the "game" it could reasonably get.

In the end the only sure thing out of it is that Crimea goes to Russia. Maybe Russia will be "gracious" enough to allow Ukraine save face on it and not force recognition of annexation. Maybe it will be Ukrainian version of "Alaska" too - sold to Russia for $$ (that can be a way for Russia to pay reparations without calling it that, in return for sanctions relief), who knows.

DNR/LNR - no idea, there are plenty of ways to settle that one, I do think there is a room for maneuvering there for both Russia and Ukraine.

One thing is certain - it's not happening any time soon. First thing will indeed be some sort of armistice.

[Elegiac]

The world can seldom afford these sanctions long term they have major ramifications world wide politically. The average person is only going to care about Ukraine for a limited amount of time before blaming their politicians for their gas, food and other things being too costly.

Curious why you think this applies to everywhere else but Russia.

[Gaidax]

you are being naive. The sanctions are a golden opportunity to send a major adversary back 10 years. Russia opened the door for it, the US obliged and the world applauded.
Being sold as an instrument for peace is just the cherry on top.

This is true and this is why I believe champagne is flowing like spice in US Department of State and so on.

US truly ended up on top of all this mess more than anyone. Should send chocolates to Putin too, he's a better Western Spy than anyone they ever had.

[Edge-]

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...-putin-1690108

And today in "Thank fucking god an adult is in the White House": Escalating closer to nuclear warfare by deploying nuclear subs

"You should say, 'If you mention that word [nuclear] one more time, we're gonna send [nuclear submarines and planes] over and we'll be coasting back and forth, up and down your coast," Trump told Fox Business on Monday. "You can't let this tragedy continue. You can't let these, these thousands of people die."

The former president said he "listened to [Putin] constantly using the n-word," referring to the world "nuclear," during his dealings with the Russian president but that he hoped he never had to use nuclear weapons because "it would be the tragedy of all tragedies."

Reminder that this is the Putin Two-Step with Trump: He praises him one day and then is a big tough guy the next because he was critiqued for praising Putin, only to return to praising Putin because there are no principles or morals.

[Draco-Onis]

Curious why you think this applies to everywhere else but Russia.

It's almost like every country is different with different impacts to the global economy /s

Let me know when you get out of economics 101 since you can't understand even that.

[Easo]

The dude who posted the photo with Ukrainian army trucks at that shopping centre which was bombed yesterday has been arrested
https://nv.ua/ukr/kyiv/obstril-tc-u-...-50227074.html

A reminder to anyone, who might get into the shitty situation called war - be careful what and where you film and post.

This is true and this is why I believe champagne is flowing like spice in US Department of State and so on.

US truly ended up on top of all this mess more than anyone. Should send chocolates to Putin too, he's a better Western Spy than anyone they ever had.

Add the side effect of European competitors being weakened by sanctions more than companies in America. I am not gonna say it was intentional, but it absolutely is a cherry on top.

[Gorsameth]

I honestly don't know Russia's air force has been very absent in this conflict, Ukrainian airspace is still very much open so I am not sure. Maybe Russia's air force is in a worse shape than their land forces due to corruption or maybe they are holding back. There is too much we don't know about how they planned this out, we do know they have the capability.

I think the initial losses the Russia air force suffered and their apparent difficulty in removing Ukrainian AA (now even more difficult with a lack of precision missiles) largely grounded them.

It would seem Russia had to chose between having an air force at operation strength that they can't use or throw them into the grinder until they ran out of air force and they chose the former.

Its stupid and makes little sense based on how we are used to seeing the American air force operate and quickly establish complete air superiority whatever they deploy but it would explain why they are absent as you noted.

[Collegeguy]

Who would survive killing Putin? Do you honestly think we wouldn't be blamed for it? the timing just wouldn't be in our favor.

Who cares? Russia is still not over the U.S. Weather weapon that is melting their permafrost. They will blame the west for everything regardless.

[Elegiac]

It's almost like every country is different with different impacts to the global economy

And Russia is being far more heavily impacted by the sanctions than the rest of the international community. So again; why do you think everywhere but Russia is going to blink first "because people"?

[Vankrys]

I think the initial losses the Russia air force suffered and their apparent difficulty in removing Ukrainian AA (now even more difficult with a lack of precision missiles) largely grounded them.

It would seem Russia had to chose between having an air force at operation strength that they can't use or throw them into the grinder until they ran out of air force and they chose the former.

Its stupid and makes little sense based on how we are used to seeing the American air force operate and quickly establish complete air superiority whatever they deploy but it would explain why they are absent as you noted.

i'm surprised to see (and frankly relieved for the Ukrainians) a cruel lack of UAV in Russian arsenal. I thought those were becoming a key component in modern warfare.

[Gaidax]

Add the side effect of European competitors being weakened by sanctions more than companies in America. I am not gonna say it was intentional, but it absolutely is a cherry on top.

There are so many cherries on top that it's almost a meme. The list is truly long.

US leadership probably can't believe their own luck and if it was actually part of the plan, then color me impressed.

Putin really fucked this one up so hard that he probably slaps himself in front of the mirror when nobody is around to see that. Maybe the gigantic table is to hide the reddened cheeks.

[Draco-Onis]

And Russia is being far more heavily impacted by the sanctions than the rest of the international community. So again; why do you think everywhere but Russia is going to blink first "because people"?

Oh my god learn about Russia and Ukraine's portion of global calories, precious metals among other natural resources. You don't even know the basics again I don't understand why you keep replying you have neither the intellect or the willingness to listen.

[Easo]

i'm surprised to see (and frankly relieved for the Ukrainians) a cruel lack of UAV in Russian arsenal. I thought those were becoming a key component in modern warfare.

They don't have enough drones with strike capability, including loitering ammo ones (low numbers, IIRC), but those are being used. They, however, absolutely are massively using recon ones, though, with target painting if needed. Last example can be seen from yesterdays strike on shopping centre, but from what I can read there is not enough for infantry needs.
This is the one single thing China could give them that would be useful, in regards to all that blah blah about China helping.

Oh my god learn about Russia and Ukraine's portion of global calories, precious metals among other natural resources. You don't even know the basics again I don't understand why you keep replying you have neither the intellect or the willingness to listen.

I, for one, want to know where the world will get 70% of neon gas now.

[Fugus]

For those who keep repeating that “Putin has nothing to lose”, you forget he has children.

And if the nukes go flying, he can kiss them goodbye as well. Even a power hungry man like that typically has those they care for, not everyone is like Trump and Kim Jon Un from North Korea.

So, the question is which does he care about more which will answer if he really wants scorched earth.

[Elegiac]

Oh my god learn about Russia and Ukraine's portion of global calories, precious metals among other natural resources.

Why on earth do you think higher bread prices in Turkey or Egypt are going to cause people in Japan, Taiwan, the EU, or the US to stop supporting sanctions. Besides a highly misanthropic view of your fellow man, I mean.

You're vastly overstating how important Russia is to the global economy, and vastly overestimating their self sufficiency. "RUSSIA STR0NK" indeed.

[Gaidax]

For those who keep repeating that “Putin has nothing to lose”, you forget he has children.

And if the nukes go flying, he can kiss them goodbye as well. Even a power hungry man like that typically has those they care for, not everyone is like Trump and Kim Jon Un from North Korea.

So, the question is which does he care about more which will answer if he really wants scorched earth.

There won't be any nukes.

I know there is this "madman Putin" meme, but he's really not that. And even if you'd entertain the notion he is a wacko ready to slam that proverbial red button - Russia also has checks and balances on that one.

All this "highest alert" crap is simply psychological warfare and it even somewhat works, because nobody wants to gamble and lose.

[Draco-Onis]

Why on earth do you think higher bread prices in Turkey or Egypt are going to cause people in Japan, Taiwan, the EU, or the US to stop supporting sanctions.

You're vastly overstating how important Russia is to the global economy, and vastly overestimating their self sufficiency. "RUSSIA STR0NK" indeed.

You probably think it's just coincidence that republicans are pushing hard on Biden gas prices and inflation.

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I, for one, want to know where the world will get 70% of neon gas now.

Apparently if you don't know about a problem it doesn't exist.