Russian invasion of Ukraine

[zealo]

Who the F cares about that. Can Ukrainian Army use Patriots? No they can't. Can Ukrainian army pilot Western jets? No they can't.

Why do you think there was this whole MiG jets nonsense from two weeks ago? Because that's the only thing Ukrainian pilots can pilot right away. Do you realize how much time it takes for pilot to train piloting something else entirely?

Why do you see West scrambling to find some Soviet-made AA systems like 9K33 Osa to give to Ukraine? Because they know how to operate it from the get go.

You just don't get it. The instructors did not give them classes on how to operate anything more than Javelins or Stingers and the like. That's good, but it's not what can keep Ukrainian cities being turned into rubble.

The way that whole giving MiGs to Ukraine affair went tells me it wouldn't matter whether Ukrainian pilots could have been trained to fly western jets in the years prior, cause the west would be just as reluctant to supply Ukraine with those too.

If training were the only issue at hand there, those old MiGs countries such as Poland have in stockpiles would already be in Ukrainian hands making sorties against the Russians, but the initial transfer didn't even happen. There's a reason for why Poland wanted to give them to the US first as a middleman for transferring to Ukraine.

[Azadina]

We have the resources to make this far more difficult for Russia

How's that? By praying for swift Russian victory since day 1 of the invasion? Ring any bells? Yup, sounds very difficult for Russia, for their targets to roll over and surrender immediately.

It's rich that someone is talking of disney and looney tunes rides, a month into invasion that they've been praying had ended in the first days; in Russias complete victory (as that was the only way it was ever going to happen, regardless of which words you want to dress it up as).

[CostinR]

How's that? By praying for swift Russian victory since day 1 of the invasion? Ring any bells? Yup, sounds very difficult for Russia, for their targets to roll over and surrender immediately.

Well you better start praying Ukraine has a bunch of puddles, because just like those in Mariupol are drinking puddle water to survive so will quite a few other places.

Your end comment is just sheer stupidity. No one is enjoying this, regardless if we disagree with you.

The way many people post around here and other places is as if this is pure entertainment. Especially for the great keyboard warriors.

It isn't.

Edit: Keep in mind that one of Russias demands is the demilitarization of Ukraine, how do you figure out that we'll have years to arm Ukraine?

Hence compromise, or where did I suggest Ukraine give Russia everything it wanted.

[Azadina]

Well you better start praying Ukraine has a bunch of puddles, because just like those in Mariupol are drinking puddle water to survive so will quite a few other places.

I think carrying water is a task you're more qualified at. You could carry water literally (rather than figuratively for Russia) for those people whom you pretended to care about, so much so that you were willing to surrender Ukraine for them immediately.

[CostinR]

I think carrying water is a task you're more qualified at. You could carry water literally (rather than figuratively for Russia) for those people whom you pretended to care about, so much so that you were willing to surrender Ukraine for them immediately.

I have given aid to Ukrainian refugees in real life and am looking at housing some of them since me and my girlfriend have the space for it ( would have done so already but our families don't want to).

But don't let me stop you there.

[Crispin]

Well you better start praying Ukraine has a bunch of puddles, because just like those in Mariupol are drinking puddle water to survive so will quite a few other places.



The way many people post around here and other places is as if this is pure entertainment. Especially for the great keyboard warriors.

It isn't.



Hence compromise, or where did I suggest Ukraine give Russia everything it wanted.

Pure entertainment? Like suggesting few years peace, with Russia not bending down on a demilitarization of Ukraine yet want us to arm them? See an issue here?

No one thinks this is pure entertainment, war is shit, your silly comparisons as if you're some super expert on the matter is hilarious tho. Quick call Zelensky and advice him on what to do, jesus christ.

Btw still waiting on where you got the intel, that NATO will run out of Stingers and Javelins, before Russia runs out of shit to target them at. You're surely not some armchair general, who base his knowledge on guessing and not facts, right?

[Gorsameth]

I have given aid to Ukrainian refugees in real life and am looking at housing some of them since me and my girlfriend have the space for it ( would have done so already but our families don't want to).

But don't let me stop you there.

if you do, be sure to ask them if they think their countrymen should stop fighting.

[CostinR]

@Crispin Let me know when Russia's military collapses, should be any day now right? I mean that's what the great minds on social media are saying.

if you do, be sure to ask them if they think their countrymen should stop fighting.

@Gorsameth Many of them want this to end as swiftly as possible. They would obviously prefer if they wiped Russia out obviously, but Ukraine is not going to be able to do that, and yes they do know that. Zelensky has a lot of bravado ( if he didn't Ukraine would collapse overnight ), mothers with young children that walked for dozens of miles don't feel the same ( shocking I know ).

Frankly from what I've personally heard quite a few are praying for a miracle military solution: The NFZ calls are a representation of that for instance.

[Crispin]

@Crispin Let me know when Russia's military collapses, should be any day now right? I mean that's what the great minds on social media are saying.

What a random thing to say. How the heck should I know when they'll collapse? Still waiting on your sources for the NATO running out of Javelins etc.

[Azadina]

I have given aid to Ukrainian refugees in real life and am looking at housing some of them since me and my girlfriend have the space for it ( would have done so already but our families don't want to).

But don't let me stop you there.

I'm sure they're greatfull for the colored card that says "Accept Russias terms in full, return home. Ps. send a check for ending the war for ya".

Don't let me stop you either. I know what you've been after. My prayers have partly been answered, much to your ire and frustration; Ukraine didn't immediately bend over and ask Ruski senpais how many freebies they want, and what else they can offer as service to their new overlords.

And at the rate things are going, they won't be having Ruski overlords.

[Vorkreist]

So because there's a limit to what kind of weapons we'll deliver, NATO countries should be fearful of Russia? Sound logic mate. There's a difference on provoking a war with Russia, and beeing superior in one.

And wtf does a occupation against insurgents have to potential war with Russia?

Where do you compare NATO military stocks vs Russian?

Your end comment is just sheer stupidity. No one is enjoying this, regardless if we disagree with you.

Edit: Keep in mind that one of Russias demands is the demilitarization of Ukraine, how do you figure out that we'll have years to arm Ukraine?

The more you post the more you show how clueless you are about the area and how you see these conflicts as video games rts stuff.
HAhahaha I got 5 tanks you got 5 but surely my palbrofriends on the other side of the earth will send in time another 5 tanks so I have more than you . I can't be afraid your 5 tanks blow up my house and kill my family anymore . GG Well played no re.

[The Stormbringer]

And what you gonna do about it?

Reality is a bitch. That's why I'm saying that no matter how much Ukraine protests - Crimea goes to Russia, simply because they can do nothing about that one, for instance.

Right now Ukraine needs to work hard to minimize the damage they will sustain both outside and inside these negotiations. Some things are easily given up, others will be a sacrifice.

Russia will also not get 100% of what it wants, so the compromise is there. They will meet somewhere in the middle.

No, fuck that bullshit. Russia can get the fuck out of a country that isn't theirs. You want compromise? The compromise is that the rest of the world will ease up on the god damn sanctions. THAT'S the only compromise they can expect.

If I invade your backyard with the intention of stealing your whole property, are you going to let me keep your backyard, or are you not going to stop until I'm back on my side of the fence?

[Hansworst]

I guess with all these sanctions I have to rename my cat Vladipurr.
Any suggestions? Chairman Meow?

[Poopymonster]

I guess with all these sanctions I have to rename my cat Vladipurr.
Any suggestions? Chairman Meow?

Volodypurr.

[Crispin]

The more you post the more you show how clueless you are about the area and how you see these conflicts as video games rts stuff.
HAhahaha I got 5 tanks you got 5 but surely my palbrofriends on the other side of the earth will send in time another 5 tanks so I have more than you . I can't be afraid your 5 tanks blow up my house and kill my family anymore . GG Well played no re.

Can you try typing it out as an adult, hopefully it'll make sense then.

[Corvus]

Reportedly, Russian journalists have noted that Defense Minister Shoigu hasn't been seen in public since March 11. He may just be keeping a low profile, but given Putin must be looking for scapegoats, one never knows.

[CostinR]

EDIT: Was going to exactly what Corvus had but no point to duplicate.

Could just be health issues but yeah wouldn't necessarily be surprised over a purge. The great military plan didn't go exactly as hoped.

IIRC Shoigu was installed after the previous minister, Serdyukov, was brought down after engaging in significant reforms that many of the regular brass in the deeply corrupt Russian military did not appreciate ( since he wanted to fire a lot of officers ), in fact they really despised him for it. So Shoigu was an appeasement to them.

Putin is probably done appeasing the corruption, and heads have been rolling for weeks now after the failure in the first few days.

[Pann]

Although not war related Russia has declared an interest in hosting Euro 2028 or 2032.

https://twitter.com/LBCNews/status/1...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Utterly delusional!

[Belize]

Reportedly, Russian journalists have noted that Defense Minister Shoigu hasn't been seen in public since March 11. He may just be keeping a low profile, but given Putin must be looking for scapegoats, one never knows.

Polonium tea is generally bad for one's health

[Biglog]

@Crispin Let me know when Russia's military collapses, should be any day now right? I mean that's what the great minds on social media are saying.

Kind of a strawman, most on social media are actually saying the Russian army is having major morale and logistics problems, not that it's going to collapse any day. Plus the term "collapse" is a poor one to use since it's subjective. It has definitely not been going well with masses of abandoned equipment and troops that bailed, high losses, inability to gain air superiority, expired rations, slow advance, etc. That's not collapse, but it's given the world a completely new perspective on the state of the Russian military.

As more evidence of that, the only tank production plant in Russia just shut down due to parts shortages due to sanctions. This week Russia used anti-ship missiles against land targets, not exactly an efficient use and another sign of dwindling stockpiles. In a lopsided war like this the goal for Ukraine isn't to completely wipe out Russia head-on, obviously that's not really possible. It's more like Vietnam; make the invasion and occupation so costly and painful for the enemy that they leave. And 1 month into the war Ukraine has been very successful towards that end, far more than anyone expected. For Russia 10k troop deaths/month, abysmal military morale, and billions of rubles in equipment lost/used, is not a sustainable for a long-term war sanctions aside. I do expect Russia to try to shift strategy to have more success, we'll see how that goes over the next few weeks.