Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Easo]

Hey, guess what, Shoigu is very much alive and still in his post. Memes...

There are rumours amongst Russian lower ranks that there will be leadership changes (which should include Shoigu and Gerasimov, at least in theory, buuuut). How realistic that is no one knows, but they don't really believe that top commanders will get an actual punishment, as they will cover each other, as usual.

As per Ukrainian rumours - Russia is planning the second attack wave in the middle of April. That would explain the reported dig in around the cities and would also give time for that leadership change, if that is a real thing.
It would be an immense failure for Russia to have the war still ongoing on the 9th May.

Mariupol fighting is getting very close to coastline now. Sorry, but the end of that battle is clear.

You do realise the Kremlin operates more than just official news sources, right? That it has a literal army of paid trolls designed to spread disinformation on social media?


No dude; as I've said AA missiles do not work like that, and the video evidence does not support it being a misfire. Especially when the claims about it being a misfire started on a Kremlin operated platform.

I am referring to Smotrim, not Telegram. Stop strawmanning.

If you're saying that war crimes are tactical necessities then why did you go to such lengths to try and claim Russia wasn't committing them using Russian sources as your evidence? Why not just skip straight to justifying said war crimes like you do with Israeli ones?

Again; the point here is not that modern warfare sucks, which it does, it's that you have a very clear bias in favor of Russian claims by not treating them with remotely the same level of skepticism as you do non-Russian claims.

Yes, I do. Does not mean you can't check the content of the video and then think about it.

Some AA missiles work exactly like that because there are different systems. Look at the damn trajectory of a S-300 launch in the video below, then check what S-300's minimum engagement height is - 25 meters for S-300PS/PT, both of which Ukraine has in arsenal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YGaq8QW0x4
And you have eyes, you have a video full of visible landmarks, you can do geolocation, even without the picture already showing it to you (super easy to find the Domino's Pizza from where the video is taken) - it's coming from Kiev's south - where no Russian troops have been by any reports.
Russian propaganda my ass... I guess Klitchko posting the shrapnel elements of Buk's warhead was also Russian propaganda (it's ok, he does not have to know what he is holding, his job is to speak).

I would not be surprised if you also believe that the blown up shopping centre in Kiev too was "Russian incompetence/indifference to civilians/bloodlust" or whatever you call it.

Everything is a damn warcrime to you. What Russian sources? Go and take a look at Mariupol and how both sides fight each other, as both are posting their overachievements, just don't get too shocked. To me it is a normal urban warfare, to you - war crimes.
Same level? I don't see you complaining about Ukrainians using apartment blocks for fighting (something everyone would do, no matter what you believe).
War is war and this is how it looks like, rules/laws are bent and broken. The moral highground does not help anyone.

Ukrainian forces have received training from the Western special forces for the last 8 years. For example:

Edit: Also Ukraine is far closer to a modern professional army, exponentially close, infinite closer, than it is to the brave goat farming cave dwellers of the Mujahideen. There are Chechen Mujahideen fighting alongside Ukraine apparently (not Kadryov's goon squad, which only exists to for PR and to torture/murder civilians and PoWs).

Some Ukrainian forces, not all, some. 8 years is far too little to change everything.

Are they better than the hobos of Taliban? Of course they are, not a high ladder. Does not mean they are NATO level army? No.
Chechens are fighting, actually, there were videos from Mariupol. Though you should know that they do have kinda memey status even on the totally pro-Russian discussion boards, since in the first half of this war they mostly just did photo ops, aside from a rare battle.

We're still waiting on evidence of soldiers using ambulances as cover on the reg.

Oh no, you got me with the single thing I could not provide a proof of.

So the Moscow Exchange opened about an hour ago for select Russian st0nks, and they're... not crashing. At least not yet. So far, they're trading up 10-15%, though admittedly they were pretty much in the shitter before MoEx shut down a month ago, so that's not necessarily saying much.

We'll have to keep an eye on how this goes.

No offence, but did anyone honestly expected a total crash...?

Sabotage most likely causing some of their munitions to go off, assuming it wasn't merely an accident. Ukraine doesn't have the capacity to strike Russia in that area so far in the South East with drones or land based missiles.

Very risky, but Bayraktar could get that far. From what I understand they were loading the Ukrainian ammo (this is the place where they captured the Ukrainian patrol cutters), it could have been an accident. In the video where you can see the initial explosion it is clear that whatever exploded was not a big one - certainly not a Tochka-U, thus leaving basically only drone strike or an accident. I don't believe in diversion much.

Regardless - minus one landing ship (kek, Russia got some decommunization too), plus two others will need repairs. The one in the back clearly lost the artillery turret to fire and the one in foreground is guaranteed to have the whole back full of holes, you can even see some ammo making new holes in the exploded ship and landing near the leaving one - which was before parked right in front of it. Plus it seems the third one, whatever that ship was, might be with some damage as well.

[Zaydin]

The Russian stock market opened today. Gained as much as 12% and settled for 4.4% by the end of the day.

Short-selling was banned.

Foreign clients weren't allowed to sell securities. BTW, 80% of Russian stock market is foreign owned.

The state bought 10 billion dollar worth of stocks. Huge when you consider the size of the of the Russian stock market which is around 70 - 80 billion.

So Russia did exactly what I was wondering they might do and rigged the game so they could only win.

The problem is that a Ponzi scheme (I know it's not a literal Ponzi scheme) like this can only work for so long before it collapses in on itself.

[Belize]

Mariupol fighting is getting very close to coastline now. Sorry, but the end of that battle is clear.

There's also essentially nothing left of Mariupol. And it took them a month.

You've yet to answer what exactly Russia has to gain if they have to repeat this process for every Ukrainian major city.

[Elenos]

There's also essentially nothing left of Mariupol. And it took them a month.

You've yet to answer what exactly Russia has to gain if they have to repeat this process for every Ukrainian major city.

The entirety of Ukraine.

Rebuilding cities will be a bitch but Russia did it before they'll do it again, don't think for a second they aren't willing to if it achieves their goals.

But it's for the reason of costs that Russia is not bombing these cities into the dust, which they absolutely can or do you believe that Ukraine can prevent Russia from carpet bombing Ukraine with TU-95s TU-22Ms and TU-160s? None of which we've seen used so far in Ukrainian air space.

[jonnysensible]

Ukraine can prevent Russia from carpet bombing Ukraine with TU-95s TU-22Ms and TU-160s? None of which we've seen used so far in Ukrainian air space.

Ukraines air defense is still decent, barely any air sorties are actually firing from within Ukraine atm.

[PC2]

You've yet to answer what exactly Russia has to gain if they have to repeat this process for every Ukrainian major city.

I don't think they are aiming for every Ukrainian city necessarily, but the answer to the question is that they gain 'control'. Ukraine was about to become a competitor but now Russia can control their potential competitor and wreck Ukrainian businesses that have a conflict of interest with Russian businesses.

[beanman12345]

I must say: Goddamn has it been good to post in forums where the russian trolls are just permabanned straight up for posting pro-russia drivel, instead of this hellhole. Never change MMOC, you pile of shit.

This site so bad we got simps for the pro-russian trolls.

[Zaydin]

The entirety of Ukraine.

Rebuilding cities will be a bitch but Russia did it before they'll do it again, don't think for a second they aren't willing to if it achieves their goals.

But it's for the reason of costs that Russia is not bombing these cities into the dust, which they absolutely can or do you believe that Ukraine can prevent Russia from carpet bombing Ukraine with TU-95s TU-22Ms and TU-160s? None of which we've seen used so far in Ukrainian air space.

The odds of a NATO intervention will grow higher and higher for every Ukrainian city the Russian thugs level, tovarisch.

Sooner or later, public outrage will force NATO to intervene to stop the slaughter and then the ones getting slaughtered will be the Russian military.

[Belize]

The entirety of Ukraine.

Rebuilding cities will be a bitch but Russia did it before they'll do it again, don't think for a second they aren't willing to if it achieves their goals.

But it's for the reason of costs that Russia is not bombing these cities into the dust, which they absolutely can or do you believe that Ukraine can prevent Russia from carpet bombing Ukraine with TU-95s TU-22Ms and TU-160s? None of which we've seen used so far in Ukrainian air space.

With uh, what economy will Russia rebuild Ukraine? And what population?
Oil is great and all, but it makes pretty poor habitation.

And without bombing cities to dust, they can't capture Ukraine and are simply feeding their troops into a meat grinder.

So I ask again: what does Russia gain with this. Because as of now, it's been only losses, and a lot of them.

[Finlandia WOAT]

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Some Ukrainian forces, not all, some. 8 years is far too little to change everything.

Are they better than the hobos of Taliban? Of course they are, not a high ladder. Does not mean they are NATO level army? No.
Chechens are fighting, actually, there were videos from Mariupol. Though you should know that they do have kinda memey status even on the totally pro-Russian discussion boards, since in the first half of this war they mostly just did photo ops, aside from a rare battle..

Is it that the video where they "cleared" some random building that had zero Ukrainian fighters in it?

Someone's got to look nice and pose for photos on the rubble.

[Easo]

0:37
No indication sanctions are working yet

Nick Beake

BBC News, Brussels

Despite the proclamations ringing out here at Nato HQ - support for Ukraine and a determination to punish Russia financially - I’ve just had a sobering insight from one Western official who was in the leaders’ meeting earlier.

Apparently, not one leader could give any indication that sanctions had begun to change Putin's mind or affect his behaviour in his war on Ukraine.

The Nato strategy depends on supplying the Ukrainians with weapons while waiting for the unprecedented financial penalties levied on Russia to persuade him to stop attacking his neighbour.

But for millions of Ukrainians - displaced, under fire and sleeping in bunkers for a month - it is the most terrifying of waits. More civilians will die as the war grinds on.

Nato figures insist publicly and behind the scenes that they’re doing all they can to arm Ukraine, while not escalating the conflict or becoming directly involved - which, they say, could have dire consequences.

But I’m reminded of the young family I met exactly a month ago, deep under the streets of Kyiv in the shelter of a metro station just after Russia had launched its attack.

Alexander cradling his young son asked: “Where are Nato to help us?”

Many Ukrainians want much more support from their powerful Western friends, and they want it now.

A better look at reality, at least I hope it will be for some. For Ukraine it does not matter what will happen with Russia some 5 years in the future, Ukraine needs both peace and help right now.

There's also essentially nothing left of Mariupol. And it took them a month.

You've yet to answer what exactly Russia has to gain if they have to repeat this process for every Ukrainian major city.

I fail to see a single reason to be happy about Russia taking it so long - considering city is fucked and there are shitload of dead civilians - recent videos are good example, there are unremoved corpses on the streets and in buildings.

Control of strategic land, for one. Ensuring Ukraine remains a buffer state, two.
Internal wave of support and patriotism, misguided as it is. Putler's approval is again high. Some elites will definitely be happy if they manage to turn the average Russian against West, both about war in Ukraine and the sanctions.

Is it that the video where they "cleared" some random building that had zero Ukrainian fighters in it?

Someone's got to look nice and pose for photos on the rubble.

At least one where they were firing at someone and someone was firing back, another with just destroyed minibus with few soldiers dead around it.
Still, they are the best at photo ops at the moment, compared to Russian MoD's inability to grasp the "media" aspect of the war. Kadyrov posing at trophee APC's taken from Ukraine works wonders in Russia.
Plus Chechens are here to scare Ukrainians with their presence alone. It's much less important how good they are fighting, than that they simply are there.

[Elenos]

The odds of a NATO intervention will grow higher and higher for every Ukrainian city the Russian thugs level, tovarisch.

Sooner or later, public outrage will force NATO to intervene to stop the slaughter and then the ones getting slaughtered will be the Russian military.

Clearly they will and you couldn't help yourself with the insult.

NATO will not intervene at least not now, in a few months? Maybe and well I guess we better prepare for nuclear war then.

[Gorsameth]

The entirety of Ukraine.

Rebuilding cities will be a bitch but Russia did it before they'll do it again, don't think for a second they aren't willing to if it achieves their goals.

But it's for the reason of costs that Russia is not bombing these cities into the dust, which they absolutely can or do you believe that Ukraine can prevent Russia from carpet bombing Ukraine with TU-95s TU-22Ms and TU-160s? None of which we've seen used so far in Ukrainian air space.

We know why Russia isn't carpet bombing using planes, its the same reason why their not using planes much in general.

They never established air superiority and if they flew low and slow enough to bomb a city they would be falling out of the sky in droves from Ukrainian AA.

People keep acting like 'oh but Russia is merciful, they could still do X' and the simple fact is that aside from committing suicide by Nuke, what we are seeing is already Russia's best attempt.

[Draco-Onis]

People keep acting like 'oh but Russia is merciful, they could still do X' and the simple fact is that aside from committing suicide by Nuke, what we are seeing is already Russia's best attempt.

I don't think it's their best attempt it's a bad attempt yes but not their best, they have to keep the narrative at home that this is a small special operations so there is a limit to what they can tap into.

[dextersmith]

The Russian stock market opened today. Gained as much as 12% and settled for 4.4% by the end of the day.

Short-selling was banned.

Foreign clients weren't allowed to sell securities. BTW, 80% of Russian stock market is foreign owned.

The state bought 10 billion dollar worth of stocks. Huge when you consider the size of the of the Russian stock market which is around 70 - 80 billion.

Are they buying just to artificially raise "value"? Cause the bubble's going to pop like the great depression.

[Draco-Onis]

Are they buying just to artificially raise "value"? Cause the bubble's going to pop like the great depression.

They are doing what every central bank does it's a form of QE and bond buying in times of crisis, there's also a significantly smaller portion of the general population that own stocks too.

[dextersmith]

The odds of a NATO intervention will grow higher and higher for every Ukrainian city the Russian thugs level, tovarisch.

Sooner or later, public outrage will force NATO to intervene to stop the slaughter and then the ones getting slaughtered will be the Russian military.

What'll there be left to salvage by then?

[Yunru]

Putin gets countertrolled:

[Easo]

Americans doing American things in Ukraine - volunteers:
https://t.me/infantmilitario/72128

P.S.
That's not a tank, but BMP-2

[Daymanmb]

Oh no, you got me with the single thing I could not provide a proof of.

At least your finally owning it! A step in the right direction.