Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Poopymonster]

Why are you all so horny to engage Shalcker? Just ignore him...

Pity.
Given how tough times are in Ruskieland, the more engagement she gets, the better she looks to her superiors. No matter how fractally wrong she is. And lately she's been kinda frantic and panicky.
If we just let her drop, it could be detrimental to her employment.
We're trying to keep turnips on her plate.
I'm tempted to start a gofundme for her. A goal of a million rubles.
Which is like 3 bucks and a BOGO Blizzard coupon to Dairy Queen.

[Draco-Onis]

*after the Fall of the USSR a lot of people were hoping they would open up like some of the other countries and that adversarial relationship would have been a thing of the past, but they seem to stuck to their old ways and tricks and have not grown up.

Well a lot of things went wrong on both sides but the US decided that instead of engaging a version of the Marshall plan they would alienate Russia because we still needed an adversary. Since then several president have just treated Russian as "regional power" which hurt their pride. Every president after the fall kept trying to do a "reset" but it was pretty superficial, the story of Russia is that of missed opportunities on so many fronts.

[D Luniz]

Well a lot of things went wrong on both sides but the US decided that instead of engaging a version of the Marshall plan they would alienate Russia because we still needed an adversary. Since then several president have just treated Russian as "regional power" which hurt their pride. Every president after the fall kept trying to do a "reset" but it was pretty superficial, the story of Russia is that of missed opportunities on so many fronts.

so they're being Vegeta?

[Draco-Onis]

so they're being Vegeta?

Vegeta changed it's too late now for Russia to change, I see them digging in and becoming a vassal state of China.

[Dadwen]

Well a lot of things went wrong on both sides but the US decided that instead of engaging a version of the Marshall plan they would alienate Russia because we still needed an adversary. Since then several president have just treated Russian as "regional power" which hurt their pride. Every president after the fall kept trying to do a "reset" but it was pretty superficial, the story of Russia is that of missed opportunities on so many fronts.

I think the Gov't *US started playing up China as the new baddie and would have worked ok in Russia's favor, but on the personal level a lot of people lost faith in Russia when the whole Putin "president for life thing started out" *permanent for life power is something that just does not sit well with most of us.

[Draco-Onis]

I think the Gov't started playing up China as the new baddie and would have worked ok in Russia's favor, but on the personal level a lot of people lost faith in Russia when the whole Putin "president for life thing started out" *permanent for life power is something that just does not sit well with most of us.

We are fine with permanent power it's just the Russian economy long term has very little future since they never made the switch to a service economy back in the day. They keep looking towards the past because it's difficult to break a new path for the future. It's frankly a shame but nothing can be done about it now even if Putin were to drop dead tomorrow the system in place would just put another version of him on top.

[Dadwen]

We are fine with permanent power it's just the Russian economy long term has very little future since they never made the switch to a service economy back in the day. They keep looking towards the past because it's difficult to break a new path for the future. It's frankly a shame but nothing can be done about it now even if Putin were to drop dead tomorrow the system in place would just put another version of him on top.

that's why I said it was on a personal (population level) The Gov't usually less worried about it as long as it's stable.

*when they first broke their own term limits I started seeing people looking at Russia as USSR lite *falling back into their old ways.

[Makabreska]

Why are you all so horny to engage Shalcker? Just ignore him...

I think they are all just waiting for the moment he looses his shit.

[Mazza]

Why should Russia be content being mere "gas station" to EU? It appears you want to deny Russia any agency or influence abroad.

There was opportunity to get Russia to join NATO. That opportunity was missed.

Now we're stuck in adversarial relationship.

Again, Russia REFUSED to apply to NATO. That is not on NATO, that is on Russia.

[Vorkreist]

So yes, of course this could be a trick. This could be more of Putin's clever planning and strategy that's gotten them to this point so far.

Russia advancing in the opposite direction. Waiting for Shalcker explanation of the "successful mission" in the north.

[Zaydin]

So if the report is accurate, Russia is no longer in full control of Kherson after a counterattack by the Ukrainian military.

Ukraine is also claiming that they have killed a seventh Russian general.

Allegedly, the Ukrainian Army is claiming they have more tanks now than they did when the war started due to how many tanks they have captured from Russian forces. Take it with a grain of salt.

[jonnysensible]

Russia advancing in the opposite direction. Waiting for Shalcker explanation of the "successful mission" in the north.

all of those men and vehicles made a noble sacrifice during the genius tactical 'feint'

[Celista]

So if the report is accurate, Russia is no longer in full control of Kherson after a counterattack by the Ukrainian military.

Ukraine is also claiming that they have killed a seventh Russian general.

Allegedly, the Ukrainian Army is claiming they have more tanks now than they did when the war started due to how many tanks they have captured from Russian forces. Take it with a grain of salt.

I hope it's all true.

[Bakis]

all of those men and vehicles made a noble sacrifice during the genius tactical 'feint'

Special operation feint by little green men on exercise
Goebbels Kremlin logic

[Poopymonster]

all of those men and vehicles made a noble sacrifice during the genius tactical 'feint'

Russian Doritos make for a great feint.

[Belize]

Russians are apparently taking care of their own leadership.

Who needs enemies with troops like these.

[Kaleredar]

Russians are apparently taking care of their own leadership.

Who needs enemies with troops like these.

The "Russia strong" people around here forced to make the binary decision of whether this is an example of Russian mutiny, or just Russian incompetence: Either they intentionally killed their commander, or they only accidentally killed their commander.


Damn, it's crazy how somehow is going to tell me that the USA is still responsible for this somehow, isn't it?

[Zaydin]

Russians are apparently taking care of their own leadership.

Who needs enemies with troops like these.

Not great news for Putin if morale is so bad among his army that his troops are fragging their commanders.

[PC2]

Why are you all so horny to engage Shalcker? Just ignore him...

What's the point in engaging with people who already agree with you? We should want as many Russians on English forums as possible because then both sides can reason with each other and find a win-win solution.

Why should Russia be content being mere "gas station" to EU?

Well don't be, start focusing on innovation instead of focusing on natural resources and border expansion. This requires the free flow of ideas and talent, which is largely incompatible with your government's current policy.

There was opportunity to get Russia to join NATO. That opportunity was missed.

Now we're stuck in adversarial relationship.

That's mainly because you guys still think your system is better than that of a liberal democracy.

[Belize]

Not great news for Putin if morale is so bad among his army that his troops are fragging their commanders.

Do you blame them though? When your commander's orders are "march into an ambush and get blown up because we have no other real plan.