Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Easo]

So as the war is dragging on the inevitable is starting to happen, from ex minister saying that ~~"Discussion about good Russians or bad Russians should conclude with - simply dead Russians" to Ukrainians shooting the legs of POW's, if not more (judging by recent POW videos - probably more...) and filming it.
Would have preferred not seeing it, but alas...

And this

Russian oligarchs, banks and businesses could have sanctions against them lifted if Russia's President Vladimir Putin ends his invasion of Ukraine and commits to "no further aggression", UK Foreign Secretary Liz Truss has said.

is pretty much expected. Probably not as directly, but still.

I reckon china vs india, the water war will be more likely that the us of a.

Nah, the Himalayas do not care for sides - there cannot be a large scale war over there, mountains simply block that + both countries do not have pressing water issues and won't for a foreseeable future (as far as I know).
I am sticking to what I said before - until the end of 2030 China will attempt to "resolve the question of Taiwan" forcing USA to make a choice whether to be involved or not and upon that choice will weigh the future of their global influence - and if we are still alive and shitposting here you can call me out on this.

No. Any western army moves its depots with the advancing forces, and field repairs as much as possible. There are specific vehicles that stay directly behind the tanks, that are loaded with spare parts and heavy machinery required to quickly repair vehicles and return them to combat. But those vehicles don't look scary in parades, so Russia really never expressed interest in developing field recovery and repair vehicles. They just haul the whole damn tank all the way back to Rostov, and the unit doesn't get it back for 5 months.

It's somewhere in the middle. Russia absolutely does have and use repair and recovery vehicles (BREM-1/1M), they will do field repairs where possible. But when you don't have things like modular engine+transmission block and it takes hours to swap a dead engine compared to less than 1h for most Western tanks (numbers are from ~4 to 8 for T-72 family), then yeah, maybe just swapping for a new tank is faster - and Russia has enough reserves for that. Armata does come with modular engine block in a first for Russia, but that is for future and not applicable to this war.

Anecdotal evidence - as per "dude" on Lost Armor after the first couple weeks there was large amount of vehicles in various conditions being returned non-stop to Russia via trains for repairs, that number dropped with time (so when Russia changed tactics).

Given how nobody really cares about the Caucasus, at least compared to Ukraine, and Russia already being a global pariah, I wonder if Aliyev overplaying his hand might tempt Putin to use Baku as an example just to send a message to Zelenski...

I remember Aliyev being a little bitch during peace talks (well, not talks, Armenia was no more than observer in them). Who knows, maybe he has lost it with older age and decided to get some more land under the noise, even if he is not in a position to fuck with Russia - Turkey cannot help, south has Iran who really does not like Azeris (the last war showed as to why) and Russia is very very important as trading partner,

[Dontrike]

Maybe i didn't make it clear to you - not even a little bit worried.

For the same reason NFZ is no-go so do dreams of demilitarizing Russia, "reasoned" or not.

Have you ever won employee of the month with how much you post or is this place just for the lower ranks of that "farm" you come from?

[Corvus]

So as the war is dragging on the inevitable is starting to happen, from ex minister saying that ~~"Discussion about good Russians or bad Russians should conclude with - simply dead Russians" to Ukrainians shooting the legs of POW's, if not more (judging by recent POW videos - probably more...) and filming it.
Would have preferred not seeing it, but alas...

With regards to the incident with the PoWs, it was an artillery unit taken prisoner at Kharkiv and the only ones shot in the legs were the officers who had been ordering the shelling of civilian populations. Not excusing it, but given they were war criminals they were damn lucky to only get shot in the legs.

[Easo]

With regards to the incident with the PoWs, it was an artillery unit taken prisoner at Kharkiv and the only ones shot in the legs were the officers who had been ordering the shelling of civilian populations. Not excusing it, but given they were war criminals they were damn lucky to only get shot in the legs.

Inexcusable. No ifs, no buts, no but they that or this.
And in the video every POW has leg injuries, not just counting those who get shot as they are "delivered". All are officers, really?

[Shalcker]

How things look for some mothers of dead Russian soldiers (reaction to Deuche Welle article in Russian):

Julia Ioffe twitter

People in the West keep hopin for the mothers of Russian soldiers to speak up against the war - and some have. But some others, even those whose sons have died in the war, are vehemently pro war - and vocally against even Ukranian civilians.
"I hate them all," the mother of a dead Russian soldier says of Ukrainians. "I have no pity even for the civilians." The war was necessary - "we had no choice" - because "if we didn't bomb them, they would've bombed us." "My son fought for us, for Russia...he didn't die in vain."
Not everyone sees the world as we do, not everyone is immune to powerful propaganda machine that's grown even more powerful over two decades, not everyone reacts to death and loss in the ways we would expect. Let's be careful not to confuse our wishes with reality.

[Easo]

How things look for some mothers of dead Russian soldiers (reaction to Deuche Welle article in Russian):

Julia Ioffe twitter

Gee, humans are stupid and can justify everything, what else is new? Your point is...?

[Corvus]

Inexcusable. No ifs, no buts, no but they that or this.
And in the video every POW has leg injuries, not just counting those who get shot as they are "delivered". All are officers, really?

Translation of the video;

<bunch of inaudible talking as he approaches a soldier>

Cameraman: Where are (he says "Razvidosi bitch", I am not sure what this means, could be Razvedka, which would be recon unit, that wasnt with these guys when they got captured. He is asking about their location)

POW: On the left side

Cameraman: Where?

POW: As you enter the village on the left side

<he takes off the bag>

Cameraman: Left, side. Where exactly? <he lets him down> Speak up! Bitch Speak up.

<man in the background is asking "Who has relatives in Ukraine?">

Cameraman: Where are you from? Tell me.

<POW is unresponsive>

Cameraman: He lost consciousness.

<People in the background are heard asking others their full name, place of birth, address, talking about having so many POWs they have nowhere to keep them, and involving prosecution in starting cases against these guys>

Cameraman: Turn him over. <they turn him over>.

Cameraman: Legs are shot huh? <someone else replies "yeah">

Cameraman: I think he is fucked.

<Someone in the background is heard yelling "Because you were fucking up Kharkiv, you are used condoms (Gondon)"

<Man in background continues "You are a fucking officer, (implying that he knows whats right and whats wrong) and you were fucking up Kharkiv"

<Cameraman approaches another hooded POW and takes off bag>

Cameraman: Fucking bitch. Whats your nationality?

POW: Azerbaijani. I have documents.

Cameraman: Why the fuck did you come here?

POW : Those were the orders

Cameraman: Fucking orders huh?

<Someone in the background is heard saying "You were shooting back">

Cameraman: You had a recon regiment here, how many people?

POW: On 6th of March when we entered we had 50 people.

<men in the background saying something is shot up, I cant make out what they are talking about>

<Cameraman walks back and shows his leg and asks "Broken leg? yea?", someone else replies "Broken leg">

<Man in background says "Are there officers?" (someone else was talking to an officer earlier, so this must be someone that just entered, maybe a higher ranking officer asking for an update). He continues "Are there officers?">

<Someone in the background says "Come here". Then "Stop">

<Camera pans to a dude with black shirt and dark pans (this is so that you know at which part in the video we are)>

<Someone in the background asks again "Are there officers?"

<Soldier walks up to him and says "Hello" and shoots him in the leg>

<They proceed to shoot 2 more guys, looks like 3rd guy knew it was coming and kneeled>

Voice asks again "Who are officers?"

<video ends>

Kind of sounds like they were targeting the officers. When you start going around deliberately murdering civilians it is going to provoke strong reactions.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Imagine being so brain washed you actually believe Ukraine was going to bomb Russia before the invasion.

[Gabriel]

"if we didn't bomb them, they would've bombed us."

Welp we tried. Time to hit reset on russia.

[Joszef Kiprich]

So brainwashing works in russia? More news at 11.

[Draco-Onis]

So brainwashing works in russia? More news at 11.

It works everywhere we have people in the US drinking urine and taking horse dewormers.

- - - Updated - - -

Welp we tried. Time to hit reset on russia.

Think that button is smashed to dust by now too many administrations have pounded it.

[Shalcker]

Gee, humans are stupid and can justify everything, what else is new? Your point is...?

It's datapoint for queries like "how long can Russian mothers stand their sons dying without rising up?", and example why i think "a few years" is reasonable estimate.

Even if people dying is very sad.

[Joszef Kiprich]

It works everywhere we have people in the US drinking urine and taking horse dewormers.

- - - Updated - - -



Think that button is smashed to dust by now too many administrations have pounded it.

While that's correct, was the opinion of taking horse dewormers spread by every single news outlet and calling it the best medicine there was?
Did journalists not agreeing with that opinion face 15 years of jailtime?

[Shalcker]

Imagine being so brain washed you actually believe Ukraine was going to bomb Russia before the invasion.

I think it helps empathy if you can actually imagine people honestly holding such views rather then pass it as "pure propaganda that never happens in reality".

[Draco-Onis]

While that's correct, was the opinion of taking horse dewormers spread by every single news outlet and calling it the best medicine there was?
Did journalists not agreeing with that opinion face 15 years of jailtime?

Nope America has no excuse at least you can say the Russians have little in terms of choice of information.

[Easo]

Translation of the video;

Kind of sounds like they were targeting the officers. When you start going around deliberately murdering civilians it is going to provoke strong reactions.

You don't have to translate that for me, I know Russian and can at least generally understand spoken and written Ukrainian as well (duh). Just saying that they do not look like officers (and low ranks do not make decisions anyway) - and that you should never ever trust anything POW's will say, no matter the side. I trust it should be obvious as to why?

And... Still zero excuses for this. And yes, this will always happen in wars, I know.

It's datapoint for queries like "how long can Russian mothers stand their sons dying without rising up?", and example why i think "a few years" is reasonable estimate.

Even if people dying is very sad.

Oh, I am very well aware that Russia is far from any kind of general dissent/rebellion, I don't have any illusions about that.

[Shadowferal]

And... Still zero excuses for this. And yes, this will always happen in wars, I know.

They could've done worse and doled out a bit of reciprocity all in the name of war. Which is what this is no matter what Putin calls it. But I should wonder that they aren't glad that they're pows now, and will get treated far better than active soldiers for Russia.

[Saradain]

How things look for some mothers of dead Russian soldiers (reaction to Deuche Welle article in Russian):

Julia Ioffe twitter

And to think you are posting the same propaganda that makes your own people think they are the ones being wronged. How does it feel like to be a contributor to all suffering, for both sides in the war?

[Shalcker]

And to think you are posting the same propaganda that makes your own people think they are the ones being wronged. How does it feel like to be a contributor to all suffering, for both sides in the war?

How exactly is looking at it and explaining it "contributes to suffering"?

[Saradain]

How exactly is looking at it and explaining it "contributes to suffering"?

Take a look at your own post history. Trying to go around all the points people are providing you, only replying to partial quotes you carefully selected to avoid saying something against your propaganda...

...At least you established you know it is a war, not a special operation. While still handwaving civilian murders off based on how long ago they happened, in a city that already fell, until few pages later when you said it was in process now...What next?