Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Twdft]

This isn't just about Ukraine. It is just the focal point of it all. Putin wants NATO to abandon all of Eastern Europe and not doing so is somehow 'goading' Russia into war.

Wife beaters since the dawn of time: "look what you made me do".

[Easo]

Maybe? It's a quagmire down there. It was some sort of Russian hardware.

It kinda was over all the headlines at the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_R...u-24_shootdown

They have even gone full Hollywood and made a crappy movie a bout it.

[Ashnazg]

It kinda was over all the headlines at the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_R...u-24_shootdown

They have even gone full Hollywood and made a crappy movie a bout it.

Not just about it. Prigozhin has a movie factory printing out cheap low budget B-level action flicks about major military/wagner engagements. He had one made about Ukraine, Mozambique, CAR, maybe more.

[Flarelaine]

It kinda was over all the headlines at the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_R...u-24_shootdown

They have even gone full Hollywood and made a crappy movie a bout it.

Oh, I had another incident in mind, something last year. The bit that made me sit up was that Turkey used their own homemade drone.

[Easo]

Not just about it. Prigozhin has a movie factory printing out cheap low budget B-level action flicks about major military/wagner engagements. He had one made about Ukraine, Mozambique, CAR, maybe more.

It's not just Prigozhin, its the Russian cinema in general, though movies involving military are certainly amongst the top. They now have the budget, but not the sense. And... VERY importantly - said movies are sponsored by the taxpayers. There is a reason I love BadComedian on YouTube. Guy is probably going to get sued soon, big names in Russian cinema already have to answer in interviews about his "review" videos.

Oh, I had another incident in mind, something last year. The bit that made me sit up was that Turkey used their own homemade drone.

Ehh, dunno, big one was this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Balyun_airstrikes , which made Turkey understandably butthurt. They did try some forms of payback, but from what I generally understand Turkey is not exactly the top dog in this strange relationship.

[Edge-]

Aaaand US troops are being deployed now...

FML.

No longer being referenced as an "imminent" incursion and they're not going to Ukraine. Not terribly concerned, Putin doesn't seem as eager for a war without a stooge in office in the US.

[PACOX]

@PACOX except you have Ukraine asking for a lesser form of NATO due to Russian aggression because fully joining NATO will take time. UK-Poland-Ukraine is what the PM proposes.

I feel like I I have to say this because nuance gets lost.

I'm not against Ukraine signing signing defense pacts with the West. I don't blame them, who wants Putin for a neighbor? I'm against the Ukraine being as a proxy for a US-Russian rivalry. The state department is working overtime to craft a 'we need to mobilize now!' narrative.

I don't know about other people but I hate being fed propaganda even if I might ultimately side with the people putting it out. We're going to weaken the morale of our own alliance with this hyper-aggressive imperial rhetoric.

[bladeXcrasher]

Russia was going to make a propaganda film to justify invading Ukraine, color me shocked.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-...edium=news_tab

[Yadryonych]

Russia was going to make a propaganda film to justify invading Ukraine, color me shocked.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-...edium=news_tab

It doesn't even need to be "justified", everyone in Russia knows it's long past due. Cool story though

[Machismo]

It doesn't even need to be "justified", everyone in Russia knows it's long past due. Cool story though

Why do you want innocent people killed?

[PACOX]

Russia was going to make a propaganda film to justify invading Ukraine, color me shocked.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-...united-states/

Wars and rumors of wars.

[Crispin]

It doesn't even need to be "justified", everyone in Russia knows it's long past due. Cool story though

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2...ent-is-growing

You’re not ‘everyone’ in Russia, cute thought tho

[Marcellus1986]

Why do you want innocent people killed?

He’s a nationalist Putin shill, just like Shalcker, Lord of the Turnips.

In case you were wondering.

[Yadryonych]

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2...ent-is-growing

You’re not ‘everyone’ in Russia, cute thought tho

Yeah, there happen to be a few traitors in every country. Unfortunate nuisance.

[Skulltaker]

Yeah, there happen to be a few traitors in every country. Unfortunate nuisance.

You need help.

[Machismo]

Yeah, there happen to be a few traitors in every country. Unfortunate nuisance.

So, those who don't want to kill innocent people are traitors?

Good to know.

[Odintdk]

It doesn't even need to be "justified", everyone in Russia knows it's long past due. Cool story though

This.

If say, Canada, Mexico or even any of the south american nations had such Russian/chinese presence as the Nato currently have that close to Russia, the US would've invaded them 5 minutes later.

No matter how hard it is to accept for people on the western side of the world: Russia is having the "normal" reaction any of them would too.

[Machismo]

This.

If say, Canada, Mexico or even any of the south american nations had such Russian/chinese presence as the Nato currently have that close to Russia, the US would've invaded them 5 minutes later.

No matter how hard it is to accept for people on the western side of the world: Russia is doing the "normal" thing any of them would too.

Russia is invading and taking land out of the goodness of their heart?

Bullshit.

Ukraine is being threatened by Russia, and have been for quite some time. They want protection... FROM RUSSIA.

[Odintdk]

Russia is invading and taking land out of the goodness of their heart?

Nope. Nobody said any of that. By invading they'd simply be reacting to potential high national security threat caused by the Nato attempting to include Ukraine on their very borders. There are no good outcomes in war. Only necessity.

[Machismo]

Nope. Nobody said any of that. By invading they'd simply be reacting to potential high national security threat caused by the Nato attempting to include Ukraine on their very borders. There are no good outcomes in war. Only necessity.

They took Crimea, because they were defending themselves?

This is a terrible argument.

They are literally trying to subvert the sovereignty of another country, by invading it.