1. #13921
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Making Z illegal is going to get dumb because probably fuck context. We renamed "Z-Towers" just now https://www.la.lv/norobezojoties-no-...aina-nosaukumu
    It's not. Because unlike people like you, who think they are clever and have found loopholes where there are none, the guys calling the shots actually know what they're talking about. Nobody is banning the letter Z in general. Only someone like you would come up with that nonsense. What they're banning is the symbolic use of the Z as shown by the Russians to rally protests or organise something in Germany with.

    You ought to refrain from commenting if you have nothing worthwhile to say or - as in this case - have no fucking clue what the legal procedures are and what's actually being discussed.
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  2. #13922
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Agreed, "proven" is a key issue here.

    I am going to confidently handwave any false flag attacks. Ukraine has no reason to do this, Russia is already committing war crimes in public and are clearly the baddies.
    I'd almost say the opposite. Sure Russia, and Putin, is no stranger to poison, but what would be the benefit of doing something like this? They can drop the peace negotiations whenever they want, and doing it this way only paints a bigger target on their back.

    I'd say it's more likely that, if any poisoning happened at all, Zelensky or his allies did it because the negotiations weren't going anywhere on their own, and this could launch another wave of sanctions, that are just about the only thing that may stop this whole thing from escalating more.

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    I am highly skeptical about this whole Abramovich thing. Is there actually any independent confirmation for that, because all that might just be a ruse to make himself some sort of victim.

    I see no reason for either side to do that. He did not go against Putin open and I don't think Ukraine would go around poisoning Russian oligarchs either. Of course it could be some rogue/lone wolf thing too, but without some credible confirmation of all that I would not jump on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I am highly skeptical about this whole Abramovich thing. Is there actually any independent confirmation for that, because all that might just be a ruse to make himself some sort of victim.

    I see no reason for either side to do that. He did not go against Putin open and I don't think Ukraine would go around poisoning Russian oligarchs either. Of course it could be some rogue/lone wolf thing too, but without some credible confirmation of all that I would not jump on it.
    wasn't there all this fishy stuff about Denis Kireev near the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I am highly skeptical about this whole Abramovich thing. Is there actually any independent confirmation for that, because all that might just be a ruse to make himself some sort of victim.

    I see no reason for either side to do that. He did not go against Putin open and I don't think Ukraine would go around poisoning Russian oligarchs either. Of course it could be some rogue/lone wolf thing too, but without some credible confirmation of all that I would not jump on it.
    Putler is likely losing it so I wouldn't put it past him.
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  6. #13926
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    So you have nothing but emotions. Thank you for being at least that much clear.
    Well would you look at that, an attempt to handwave my calling you out for your hypocritical posting tactics......

    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Yeah, I am gonna need a source for that. I am quite sure a good number blew up on IED's. Permanently.
    Unless you mean in actual war...?
    Lost armor has 42 with photo evidence, half of them in the invasion, rest afterwards - and I am talking only about USA operated Abrams, not the Iraqi ones (not like the difference matters in case of mines, but 68 nonetheless).
    .....followed immediately by Easo being a big old hypocrite again. Look at you asking for "sources" and "proof". Yet you never need them when you decide that Ukraine has lost all of its drones. Or whatever else you've decided is a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Well would you look at that, an attempt to handwave my calling you out for your hypocritical posting tactics......



    .....followed immediately by Easo being a big old hypocrite again. Look at you asking for "sources" and "proof". Yet you never need them when you decide that Ukraine has lost all of its drones. Or whatever else you've decided is a fact.

    It isn't subtle, it isn't clever. Everyone can see what you're doing.
    Just stop feeding Easo folks. He is just another Putlerista like Shalcker with mildly better deniabiiity.
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  9. #13929
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    I have heard the "People are rethinking NOW" at least couple of times before yet every time it turned out to be the same. Tell me why are nations not checking Ukraine's effectivness with using them, but only Russia's? Tanks have no direct replacements.
    The problem, as usual, is using them correctly - and no matter what something will always be destroyed, be it tank, APC, IFV or just an infantry squad.

    Yes, they havent lost, but they are loosing. The one difference between Russia and Ukraine is that Russia can replace any vehicle lost - Ukraine cannot. Especially now, after main factories have gone up in smoke - all of them Soviet legacy, irreplaceable, especially the legendary Malyshev factory - and West is not sending any replacements for the heavy equipment.
    You might have heard of people saying stuff about rethinking tanks before, I haven't. Russia's bungling is the first time I have ever heard that before. Even when I went in the military, they talked about how $50 in explosives could take out a 12 million dollar tank but only in regards of watching where you take them, not that they weren't seen as effective.

    As far as them having no direct replacements, the questioning wasn't about anything replacing them for heavy equipment as they were being taken out by drones they couldn't prevent. And more along the lines of using them for occupation and not for the attack force.

    As far as Ukraine losing, even if they lost at this point, they still won. If all people lost as great as the Ukrainians are "losing" now, war would be a thing of the past because it wouldn't be worth anyone's time to even attempt to attack anyone because it would cost them more than they gained.

    Then you pulled stuff out your ass talking about how Russia can replace all their stuff being destroyed, something they are objectively NOT capable of doing while pretending the Ukrainians are unable to when they are getting help around the globe to do just that and then some.

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    Off-topic, I actually looked at that scene with Smith and Rock, it honestly looked staged to me, either that or Smith was the one who pussed out and just tried to save himself from the dog house if it wasn't staged.

    Will was laughing at the joke at first, which you can claim that he was doing it sarcastically or it just didn't register at first which is fine.

    When he got up, Chris didn't attempt to defend himself either and just said "Uh-Oh" which you can explain as him thinking it would just words, but again fine.

    When Will hit him, it wasn't a real slap when you look at it, it was one of those chin slaps like you weren't trying to hurt them, like maybe he was hoping for a better camera angle if it was staged. Can claim that Will wasn't aiming right or something I guess.

    But then when Will is walking away, he wasn't looking angry, he looked like he had a smirk on his face kinda and only started looking emotional when he sat back down and start talking.

    Wills and actor and a damn good one but that looked acted to me, either for the publics benefit or his wife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Making Z illegal is going to get dumb
    Well someone didn't read the post before replying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soulwind View Post
    I'd say it's more likely that, if any poisoning happened at all, Zelensky or his allies did it because the negotiations weren't going anywhere on their own
    Handwaved.

    Also, why would you stage a false flag then wait a week? That sounds like bad false flagging to me.

  11. #13931
    That poisoning case seems stupid. What would be the point, everyone already does not believe Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    It's not. Because unlike people like you, who think they are clever and have found loopholes where there are none, the guys calling the shots actually know what they're talking about. Nobody is banning the letter Z in general. Only someone like you would come up with that nonsense. What they're banning is the symbolic use of the Z as shown by the Russians to rally protests or organise something in Germany with.

    You ought to refrain from commenting if you have nothing worthwhile to say or - as in this case - have no fucking clue what the legal procedures are and what's actually being discussed.
    You are believing too much in people not doing stupid kneejerk reactions. There is difference with someone walking around in a t-shirt with Russian flag and Z letter vs "Z-something", like the towers in Riga.
    O and V should also be added to the list, no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Well would you look at that, an attempt to handwave my calling you out for your hypocritical posting tactics......

    .....followed immediately by Easo being a big old hypocrite again. Look at you asking for "sources" and "proof". Yet you never need them when you decide that Ukraine has lost all of its drones. Or whatever else you've decided is a fact.

    It isn't subtle, it isn't clever. Everyone can see what you're doing.
    Yes yes, please do let me know when West will hear what Zelensky is pleading and actually help with that.

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    Just stop feeding Easo folks. He is just another Putlerista like Shalcker with mildly better deniabiiity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    You might have heard of people saying stuff about rethinking tanks before, I haven't. Russia's bungling is the first time I have ever heard that before. Even when I went in the military, they talked about how $50 in explosives could take out a 12 million dollar tank but only in regards of watching where you take them, not that they weren't seen as effective.

    As far as them having no direct replacements, the questioning wasn't about anything replacing them for heavy equipment as they were being taken out by drones they couldn't prevent. And more along the lines of using them for occupation and not for the attack force.

    As far as Ukraine losing, even if they lost at this point, they still won. If all people lost as great as the Ukrainians are "losing" now, war would be a thing of the past because it wouldn't be worth anyone's time to even attempt to attack anyone because it would cost them more than they gained.

    Then you pulled stuff out your ass talking about how Russia can replace all their stuff being destroyed, something they are objectively NOT capable of doing while pretending the Ukrainians are unable to when they are getting help around the globe to do just that and then some.
    Well, suggestion to you - listen more. Last one was back at the end of 2020 - you should be aware what happened then.

    As per Ukrainian calculations the country has received more than half a trillion USD damage - and it will only increase. Suffice to say West will not replace that and Russia is not gonna pay any reparations any time soon. Ukraine is fucked for the next decade at least.

    Yes - Russia can replace every single piece of hardware lost (and they are also clearly sending units with older equipment too, even though they have enough of modernised ones, for example T-72B's, models 1985 and 1989 have been seen used while Russia has 2k+ T-72B3 and B3M's - because that is cheap and there are few thousand more in reserves) - Ukraine cannot, especially now with tank factories destroyed, unless West suddenly changes their mind and becomes very generous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Well, suggestion to you - listen more. Last one was back at the end of 2020 - you should be aware what happened then.

    As per Ukrainian calculations the country has received more than half a trillion USD damage - and it will only increase. Suffice to say West will not replace that and Russia is not gonna pay any reparations any time soon. Ukraine is fucked for the next decade at least.

    Yes - Russia can replace every single piece of hardware lost (and they are also clearly sending units with older equipment too, even though they have enough of modernised ones, for example T-72B's, models 1985 and 1989 have been seen used while Russia has 2k+ T-72B3 and B3M's - because that is cheap and there are few thousand more in reserves) - Ukraine cannot, especially now with tank factories destroyed, unless West suddenly changes their mind and becomes very generous.
    As far as "Listen More". Pot, meet Kettle.

    We know Russia won't repay Ukraine, but Ukraine will be getting aid for a while from other nations and continues to now. And while Ukraine might be fucked up with damage for the next decade, Russia is PROPER FUCKED with the sanctions doing far more damage to them as a nation than they even caused to Ukraine along with Ukraine destroying and taking Russian troops and military equipment.

    And you are again lying claiming that Russia can replace every piece of hardware lost when they couldn't even afford to give their troops proper and maintained equipment to begin with.

    What's your next hat trick, claim that the unemployed guy with a mountain of debt can afford to replace every brick of the house he just burned down while the guy who has aid out the wazoo from multiple sources can't afford to do anything?

    But enjoy lying to yourself, because that's about the only person you're convincing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    And you are again lying claiming that Russia can replace every piece of hardware lost when they couldn't even afford to give their troops proper and maintained equipment to begin with.
    I mean, to be fair, it'd be easier to replace crappy vehicles and equipment than good stuff. 7-year-expired MREs? Hell mine have 2 years left on them.

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    Gais! TheRe's a VaST ResERVE of RePLaCeMenT VEhicles!



    Imagine being the poor bastard who has to go to war in a midsize sedan.
    Whadya mean I was down graded? They promised my advantage miles would carryover!

  15. #13935
    New details on Ukraine's ceasefire talks with Russia:

    – Ukraine has to give up on Nato but will be free to join the EU
    – Russia is no longer demanding "denazification"
    – "demilitarization" and Russian language are not part of the possible deal either


    at this rate Russia is going to give up Rostov to Ukraine it another month

  16. #13936
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    New details on Ukraine's ceasefire talks with Russia:

    – Ukraine has to give up on Nato but will be free to join the EU
    – Russia is no longer demanding "denazification"
    – "demilitarization" and Russian language are not part of the possible deal either


    at this rate Russia is going to give up Rostov to Ukraine it another month
    If Russia is being truthful here. This screams "Please give us an off ramp we can spin as a win at home!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post
    Gais! TheRe's a VaST ResERVE of RePLaCeMenT VEhicles!



    Imagine being the poor bastard who has to go to war in a midsize sedan.
    Whadya mean I was down graded? They promised my advantage miles would carryover!
    I hope those a loaded up with track suits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    New details on Ukraine's ceasefire talks with Russia:

    – Ukraine has to give up on Nato but will be free to join the EU
    – Russia is no longer demanding "denazification"
    – "demilitarization" and Russian language are not part of the possible deal either


    at this rate Russia is going to give up Rostov to Ukraine it another month
    Give it some time and even the NATO "ban" will be off the table

    As it should, for a genocidal aggressor literally kidnapping people to trade later. Oh and let's not forget, return of People's Republics + Crimea too. Those don't seem likely but I do hope the world will not lift any sanctions until borders from 1991 are recognized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post
    Gais! TheRe's a VaST ResERVE of RePLaCeMenT VEhicles!



    Imagine being the poor bastard who has to go to war in a midsize sedan.
    Whadya mean I was down graded? They promised my advantage miles would carryover!
    Probably better gas mileage than a tank, to be fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    New details on Ukraine's ceasefire talks with Russia:

    – Ukraine has to give up on Nato but will be free to join the EU
    – Russia is no longer demanding "denazification"
    – "demilitarization" and Russian language are not part of the possible deal either


    at this rate Russia is going to give up Rostov to Ukraine it another month
    You got a source for this? Because I'm a bit...skeptical.

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