Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Odintdk]

They took Crimea, because they were defending themselves?

This is a terrible argument.

They are literally trying to subvert the sovereignty of another country, by invading it.

Lol. Yeah non of that exists anywhere in the real world apart from on paper and in political speech. Go ahead and attempt to ask the US/Nato about "sovereigny" when it comes to the many nations they've breached and invaded (middle east), then call me back. No this isn't "whataboutism", it's just a fact as to what truely matters in today's world, just like it always been, and that is power.

[Machismo]

Lol. Yeah non of that exists anywhere in the real world apart from on paper and in political speech. Go ahead and attempt to ask the US/Nato about "sovereigny" when it comes to the many nations they've breached and invaded (middle east), then call me back. No this isn't "whataboutism", it's just a fact as to what truely matters in today's world, just like it always been, and that is power.

And in this case, Russia are the overt aggressors.

I don't condone the actions of bad actors, even when my government does it. Meanwhile, you're trying to justify the actions of the bad guys. They aren't trying to save innocent lives, they are trying to take them.

[Odintdk]

And in this case, Russia are the overt aggressors.

I don't condone the actions of bad actors, even when my government does it. Meanwhile, you're trying to justify the actions of the bad guys. They aren't trying to save innocent lives, they are trying to take them.

Not trying to defend anybody. Just saying what Russia is doing is a normal, anticipated and even provoked reaction to actions taken by other world powers. Ofcourse there are gonna be innocent lives lost in any conflict. Of which, said powers know very well (I wont repeat here).

[Machismo]

Not trying to defend anybody. Just saying what Russia is doing is a normal, anticipated and even provoked reaction to actions taken by other world powers. Ofcourse there are gonna be innocent lives lost in any conflict. Of which, said powers know very well (I wont repeat here).

You stepped in to defend their actions.

Russia is the bad guys in all of this.

[Odintdk]

You literally stepped in to defend their actions.

Ofcourse when I don't completely and utterly agree with your take on the situation, then I am immediately defending the "enemy".

Russia is the bad guys in all of this.

Subjective and irrelevant. As "good and bad" have always been.

Besides, this isn't a good guys vs villains sort of situation. At best it's two big ugly dogs fighting over territory. Now whether or not your peronal biases prohibits you from seeing that objectively, isn't my concern.

[Machismo]

Ofcourse when I don't completely and utterly agree with your take on the situation, then I am immediately defending the "enemy".



Subjective and irrelevant. As "good and bad" have always been.

Besides, this isn't a good guys vs villains sort of situation. At best it's two big ugly dogs fighting over territory. Now whether your bias prohibits you from seeing that objectively, isn't my concern.

No, you are simply defending them... here:

This.

If say, Canada, Mexico or even any of the south american nations had such Russian/chinese presence as the Nato currently have that close to Russia, the US would've invaded them 5 minutes later.

No matter how hard it is to accept for people on the western side of the world: Russia is having the "normal" reaction any of them would too.

And here:

Nope. Nobody said any of that. By invading they'd simply be reacting to potential high national security threat caused by the Nato attempting to include Ukraine on their very borders. There are no good outcomes in war. Only necessity.

And here:

Not trying to defend anybody. Just saying what Russia is doing is a normal, anticipated and even provoked reaction to actions taken by other world powers. Ofcourse there are gonna be innocent lives lost in any conflict. Of which, said powers know very well (I wont repeat here).

Nah, Russia are the bad guys in all of this.

[Yadryonych]

Nah, Russia are the bad guys in all of this.

Thank you for your opinion, have a nice day

[Odintdk]

No, you are simply defending them... here:

Attempt to deny and refute what I said, then try again. We all saw what happened in the cuban missile crisis as prime evidence to the hypothetical example I gave.

And you're too stuck in who's side am I on (I barely care btw), rather than actually discussing anything of worth. You keep yelling about good and bad/evil. I'm moving on until I see anything worth responding to.

[Machismo]

Thank you for your opinion, have a nice day

It's a shame you insist on calling for the deaths of innocent people.

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Attempt to deny and refute what I said, then try again. We all saw what happened in the cuban missile crisis as prime evidence to the hypothetical example I gave.

And you're too stuck in who's side am I on (I barely care btw), rather than actually discussing anything of worth. You keep yelling about good and bad/evil. I'm moving on until I see anything worth responding to.

I did, with your own quotes.

Russia is threatening to invade, and has been caught doing shitty things... and everyone else knows it.

[Easo]

It doesn't even need to be "justified", everyone in Russia knows it's long past due. Cool story though

Since when do you speak for everyone in Russia?

I will repeat what I said before - you and Shalcker have both changed the tone recently and dropped all pretense you had.

Yeah, there happen to be a few traitors in every country. Unfortunate nuisance.

Seek professional help ASAP. Also - this immediately disproves your "I speak for everyone" thing.

[Bakis]

One thing that is certain is that MMOC will get a 275% increase in new accounts by russkie troll farms

[PACOX]

Funny what both sides really wanted

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02...efing-xi-putin

Cold War 2 baby.

[Marcellus1986]

One thing that is certain is that MMOC will get a 275% increase in new accounts by russkie troll farms

Not even troll farms at this point. Just brainwashed Euros who will try and equate the US with NATO as a whole while trying to strawman Russia as a victim when they've been the aggressors this entire time lmao.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Well that's not good...

Xinnie the Pooh has joined the chat

[Xyonai]

Funny what both sides really wanted

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02...efing-xi-putin

Cold War 2 baby.

So when can we expect Fox news and other Right-Wingnuts to start going to bat for China now like they've been doing with Russia?

[Yadryonych]

brainwashed Euros

Yeah because Germans like @Odintdk unwilling to ignore american occupants tampering their soil since 1945 are totally brainwashed

[MCMLXXXII]

Yeah because Germans like @Odintdk unwilling to ignore american occupants tampering their soil since 1945 are totally brainwashed

Maybe he was born in the free Russian influenced part of Germany

[Marcellus1986]

Yeah because Germans like @Odintdk unwilling to ignore american occupants tampering their soil since 1945 are totally brainwashed

You mean the American occupants that rebuilt his country? Funny how the Russian occupied areas of Europe ended up complete shitholes and the western-controlled ones are all pretty much thriving economic states.

Funny how everyone will shit talk the US but still runs right into our arms because no one wants to be associated with the 3rd world backwater that is Russia.

You should probably stop trying to find fellow shills and go back to talking about murdering ‘traitors’

[Odintdk]

Maybe he was born in the free Russian influenced part of Germany

Irrelevant and laughable to think I'd only possess a different view on geopolitical matters merely because I was born in X as opposed to Y. As first of all I live in Hessen which have always been on the western side of the nation. And second of all nobody but Germany have sovereignty on the entire country for the last 30 years now.

But yeah keep pretending that the entire "western world" would have either black or white views on everything such as many in this topic seem to firmly believe. If it's going to turn into "if you're not fully 100% with us, absent criticism or objections, or you're against us", then I'd rather be against.

You mean the American occupants that rebuilt his country?

Cute that you pretend and even believe that the American occupation did anything for Germany out of pure good heart and intentions. In reality the primary reason behind any support Germany got was to try and contain the Soviets. If it wasn't for that, the US would've left it all behind in the chaos the invasion caused and went home to cut expenses, same way they did in Iraq and Afghanestan. Germany was just one of the lucky consequences of the cold war.

[MCMLXXXII]

Irrelevant and laughable to think I'd only possess a different view on geopolitical matters merely because I was born in X as opposed to Y. As first of all I live in Hessen which have always been on the western side of the nation. And second of all nobody but Germany have sovereignty on the entire country for the last 30 years now.

But yeah keep pretending that the entire "western world" would have either black or white views on everything such as many in this topic seem to firmly believe. If it's going to turn into "if you're not fully 100% with us, absent criticism or objections, or you're against us", then I'd rather be against.



Cute that you pretend and even believe that the American occupation did anything for Germany out of pure good heart and intentions. In reality the primary reason behind any support Germany got was to try and contain the Soviets. If it wasn't for that, the US would've left it all behind in the chaos the invasion caused and went home to cut expenses, same way they did in Iraq and Afghanestan. Germany was just one of the lucky consequences of the cold war.

Whoa, you're quick on drawing conclusions. I only pointed out to our Russian friend that not the whole of Germany was trampled by the Yankees.