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    So unless this goes tits up and everyone is wrong about Putler - what Gaidax and couple of others said about the outcome is looking more and more believable. Have to be noted though the points are Ukrainian offers and not accepted by Russia yet, though Russia is at least pretending to believe them workable and, as per Medinsky, Russia will answer with their own points.

    Going to guess that Kherson and water from it to Crimea is included in the talks as well.

    I can tell you that the most fanatical pro-war/lets-beat-hohlonazis Russians are quite, erm, disliking the current turn of events, "Putin cuckold" is gaining force again.

    Western media is now also reporting about the POWs, but not about the execution video yet
    https://www.bbc.com/news/60907259

    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenik View Post
    You didnt?

    You still stand by this and retract your previous confession?

    I mean, its fine if you are retracting your earlier confession, I dont expect much integrity from you, its just funny to see you post stuff like this:


    You hold people to standards that you, yourself, do not even live up to.
    So you keep returning to the single thing in the past (Oh, btw, how about Ukrainians using DHL minibuses for transport? Surely that can't cause any problems...) instead of talking about what I said to Mihalik about his supposed systematic maintenance failures by Russia? Good to know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    Big part of why Russia is doing this is the water situation in Crimea becoming critical.

    I don’t think they’re ready yet to pull back from the south without a more permanent answer to that being agreed upon by both sides.
    I feel like they could have built a lot of desalination plants and corresponding power plants for what this has just cost them.

    An incidental goal, surely.
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    So you keep returning to the single thing in the past (Oh, btw, how about Ukrainians using DHL minibuses for transport? Surely that can't cause any problems...) instead of talking about what I said to Mihalik about his supposed systematic maintenance failures by Russia? Good to know...
    "What Mihalik said" is a non-sequitur and has nothing to do with you being hypocritical and holding people to standards that you don't abide by.

    So, either you post proof of:
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaaz View Post
    I am constantly seeing our military (Ukrainian military to be exact) ride in ambulances to go between parts of the city.
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    He is right about use of ambulances by soldiers
    OR:
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    admit that you don't have a solid proof.
    Last I checked DHL =/= Ambulance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Japan tells businesses not to do business in rubles. Calls out energy sector in particular not to do that.

    Related: many Asians are complying with trade restrictions to avoid being sanctioned.



    I'm still not sure where China stands on this, seems to be mostly fence-straddling, but since Russia is pushing rope I doubt they're saying "yeah, after all these attempts that failed and these weak excuses from Putin, let's go all-in on that" now of all times. I don't think their love for Russia and their hatred of the US are either/together strong enough to spend significant time, effort, or resources backing the side that is both objectively in the wrong and also losing. I'm not expecting them to shut down trade or anything, but they won't be fencing stolen goods or hiding dead Ukrainian children either.
    Simply put economic interest. Most countries just do not conduct enough trade with Russia to risk incurring the economic wrath of US/EU. Not even Chinese companies are willing to do that. At least not for Russia. The global market is still very much dominated by dollar and euro.

    Countries are still buying cheap Russian crude and gas. Not only because they are cheap, but also because there is no sanction on Russian crude and gas. So why not buy them when they are discounted so heavily. Especially when UAE and SA kept rising the price of their crude.

    Even without sanction, Russia crude export March 17 through 23 is down 26% from the week before.

  5. #14205
    I'm sure this comes as a surprise to absolutely no-one - 'Blinken: No signs that Russia is serious about peace talks with Ukraine.'

    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/...27938732625920

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I'm sure this comes as a surprise to absolutely no-one - 'Blinken: No signs that Russia is serious about peace talks with Ukraine.'

    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/...27938732625920
    Yes, because a proposal would immediately lead to withdrawal. I mean I don't trust the Russians either but at least give them the CHANCE of doing something before questioning their motives, by which I mean: more than a few hours.

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    The economic sanction can still get tougher.

    Japan to ban Russia-bound exports of gold from April 5

    Japan will ban the shipment to Russia of precious metals, especially gold, in response to its invasion of Ukraine, the Ministry of Finance (MOF) said on Tuesday.

    The ban on Russia-bound precious metal reflects Prime Minister Fumio Kishida's resolve to impose further sanctions against the country, pledged at last week's meeting of leaders from the Group of Seven (G7) advanced nations.

    The export controls list - including luxury cars, jewellery, cosmetics and liquor - will take effect from April 5.

    Japan's move comes after the United States and Britain took steps to curtail transactions in gold with Russia.

    Britain revised its sanctions guidance on Friday to make clear that British entities cannot help Moscow sell its gold reserves, while the U.S. Treasury Department said a day earlier that gold-related transactions involving Russia may be sanctionable by U.S. authorities.

    The latest ban comes on top of curbs on high-tech exports to Russia, including semiconductors, censors and communication equipment.

    Kishida has announced plans to revoke Russia's most-favoured-nation trading status, which could lead to higher tariffs on its imports, as well as a ban on certain imports from Russia.

    Japan has also frozen the assets of more than 100 Russian individuals and organizations, and is considering extending financial regulations to Japan-based crypto-currency exchanges.

    Tokyo has walked a fine line regarding its energy supplies from Russia, stressing the strategic importance of oil and gas projects in eastern Russia, in which the government and Japanese firms hold stakes.

  8. #14208
    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenik View Post
    "What Mihalik said" is a non-sequitur and has nothing to do with you being hypocritical and holding people to standards that you don't abide by. So either you post proof of:

    OR:
    So a single case which you keep dragging up (and for which I admitted I have no proof) vs constant Slant's and Mihalik's military "knowledge" bullshit? And still ignoring Mihalik's failure to provide proof about maintenance? Ok then. Do whatever you want and join the chorus here claiming Ukraine is winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    So a single case which you keep dragging up (and for which I admitted I have no proof) vs constant Slant's and Mihalik's military "knowledge" bullshit? And still ignoring Mihalik's failure to provide proof about maintenance? Ok then. Do whatever you want and join the chorus here claiming Ukraine is winning.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenik View Post
    It took you 15 pages and a decent amount of pressure before you admitted you were wrong. The audacity of some people...
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    But... I did not.
    You cant even keep your story straight lol. You JUST said you "did not" (admit you were wrong). Im glad you can admit it again now that I have provided receipts, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Do whatever you want and join the chorus here claiming Ukraine is winning.
    Well Russia certainly isn't winning. Withdrawing, forced to remove faked "denazification" and "demilitarization" goals from any peace treaties they don't plan to respect anyway.

    Let's not forget banning free media in Russia and most if not all social media. Why is that? It's like russian goverment does not want their citizens to know what is actually happening...

  11. #14211
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...nt-2022-03-29/

    So...are they ACTUALLY scaling down operations around Kyiv, or is this more of a, "We can't keep the siege up due to supply issues so we'll just announce that we're scaling them back instead of just scaling them back because we ran out of things that blow up."?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...nt-2022-03-29/

    So...are they ACTUALLY scaling down operations around Kyiv, or is this more of a, "We can't keep the siege up due to supply issues so we'll just announce that we're scaling them back instead of just scaling them back because we ran out of things that blow up."?
    Or they got soundly beaten in the area, forced to retreat, but the official story has to present the murderer-rapists as generous saints who seek peaceful resolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I'm sure this comes as a surprise to absolutely no-one - 'Blinken: No signs that Russia is serious about peace talks with Ukraine.'

    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/...27938732625920
    Any peace treaty that doesn't include some severe limitations on Russia and guarantees of a Ukraine-West defense treaty is simply a way to give Russia time to regroup, rearm and invade again.

    It's why these peace talks will take a very long time, Russia absolutely needs to pay a hefty price or else it'll just start shit again in a couple years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Or they got soundly beaten in the area, forced to retreat, but the official story has to present the murderer-rapists as generous saints who seek peaceful resolution.
    That's what I'm trying to get clarity on. Whether this is actually them making a move, or whether they were doing this anyways and this is just a nice way to frame the move so as not to seem like an abject failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...nt-2022-03-29/

    So...are they ACTUALLY scaling down operations around Kyiv, or is this more of a, "We can't keep the siege up due to supply issues so we'll just announce that we're scaling them back instead of just scaling them back because we ran out of things that blow up."?
    Tacticool Retreat*

    Not running away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afrospinach View Post
    I feel like they could have built a lot of desalination plants and corresponding power plants for what this has just cost them.

    An incidental goal, surely.
    The scale of desalination needed is non-practical for uses beyond straight up drinking water.

    Ukraine cut access when Russia first seized the peninsula to a canal the soviets built back in the 1960s to divert from the dnieper, and restoring access were one of the first things Russia did back in February there in the opening days of the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Well Russia certainly isn't winning. Withdrawing, forced to remove faked "denazification" and "demilitarization" goals from any peace treaties they don't plan to respect anyway.

    Let's not forget banning free media in Russia and most if not all social media. Why is that? It's like russian goverment does not want their citizens to know what is actually happening...
    With the number of Russian troops killed, it sounds like the Denazification went pretty smoothly thus far.
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

  19. #14219
    Americans are saying that some forces are indeed moving back from Kiev.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenik View Post
    You cant even keep your story straight lol. You JUST said you "did not" (admit you were wrong). Im glad you can admit it again now that I have provided receipts, though.
    "I did not" was about Mihalik's post (I already said this once), context is important, I had no idea you would go on a rant about two weeks or so old post. Jesus christ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Well Russia certainly isn't winning. Withdrawing, forced to remove faked "denazification" and "demilitarization" goals from any peace treaties they don't plan to respect anyway.

    Let's not forget banning free media in Russia and most if not all social media. Why is that? It's like russian goverment does not want their citizens to know what is actually happening...
    Those two things can happen at the same time, you do realize that...?

    And I do not see relevance in talking about Russia banning opposition media, that's decades old tradition by now.
    P.S
    Ukraine is getting demilitarized regardless, just in a more direct way - Malyshev, Antonov, Luch, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Americans are saying that some forces are indeed moving back from Kiev.
    Source? Because that would be interesting.

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