Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Verdugo]

Is it surprising that Russia would simply not teach Chernobyl though?

Or at least fail to really mention and linger on it?

They still teach that WW2 conveniently started in 1941 when axis attacked Soviet Union. What do you expect.

[jonnysensible]

Russian secondary objective looks completed, Ukraine’s defense industry is completely annihilated.

I'm not sure these radiation poisoning stories are all that legit. the exposure is surely too low for acute radiation sickness

[Bakis]

Russian secondary objective looks completed, Ukraine’s defense industry is completely annihilated.

I'm not sure these radiation poisoning stories are all that legit. the exposure is surely too low for acute radiation sickness

Environmental risks on the ground in Chernobyl
The Chernobyl exclusion zone is among the most radioactively contaminated regions on the planet. Thousands of acres surrounding the reactor site have ambient radiation dose rates exceeding typical background levels by thousands of times. In parts of the so-called Red Forest near the power plant it's possible to receive a dangerous radiation dose in just a few days of exposure.

Russian troops been there for weeks by now. Details of how many and how long we dont know but I dont see a reason to go through the hassle of deploying troops and rotate them out within 24h.

[Specialka]

Better them than us is a good saying.
And dont forget who is threatening with nuclear weapons.
Yes it suck the troops are more than likely barely 20-25y old with a poor education from mostly rural places not very informed of the purpose of the war and war crimes.

Still they decided not to refuse orders or are willing to invade a sovereign nation.
I say Fuck 'em

Such bravado, I am impressed.

Are you familiar with what you can get if you refused to follow orders or get conscripted (if you do not have the right connection) ?

[Iphie]

Such bravado, I am impressed.

Are you familiar with what you can get if you refused to follow orders or get conscripted (if you do not have the right connection) ?

I doubt it. While I have no love currently for Russian conscripts I do try to keep in mind that they don't have much choice. That doesn't absolve them of their actions though.

[Specialka]

I doubt it. While I have no love currently for Russian conscripts I do try to keep in mind that they don't have much choice. That doesn't absolve them of their actions though.

Obvisously, but saying they have a choice is stupid.

[Azadina]

Still ? And what is your point anyway ?

Was it too cryptic? They have guns, they can use them if they don't want to go the way of radiation poisoning. Their choice.

[Specialka]

Was it too cryptic? They have guns, they can use them if they don't want to go the way of radiation poisoning. Their choice.

I asked because I was not sure but I fear I already knew you thought they had a choice.

[Bakis]

Such bravado, I am impressed.

Are you familiar with what you can get if you refused to follow orders or get conscripted (if you do not have the right connection) ?

And that somehow in the end doesn't come down to the choices that soldier made about his career?
Sorry but there is a bad part in this war, not two and I rather see the bad one getting fucked than the other.

Then there is the cynical rational of it.
Higher cost for treatment and harder to explain to the home audience given Kremlin since long boosted about taking back the nuclear armaments in Ukraine.

[Azadina]

I asked because I was not sure but I fear I already knew you thought they had a choice.

Are you one of those "future is predetermined, and there is no free will" type of people?

[Bakis]

Obvisously, but saying they have a choice is stupid.

They had more choice than the Ukrainians..

[Specialka]

And that somehow in the end doesn't come down to the choices that soldier made about his career?
Sorry but there is a bad part in this war, not two and I rather see the bad one getting fucked than the other.

Then there is the cynical rational of it.
Higher cost for treatment and harder to explain to the home audience given Kremlin since long boosted about taking back the nuclear armaments in Ukraine.

A good chunk of them are conscripts (thus they are not there by choices and it seems Putin conscripted 130000 more). The other are like any other employees, they do what they are told. It is even more true in the army where you can get jail time or firing squad for desobeying. Grow up.

- - - Updated - - -

Are you one of those "future is predetermined, and there is no free will" type of people?

Sure, you have a choice. Follow order or go to jail. Great choice right there !

And are you of those people "I would absolutely, if I were in their position, disobey order and desert the army or even better kill my commanding officer" (from being your keyboard) ?

[Bakis]

A good chunk of them are conscripts (thus they are not there by choices and it seems Putin conscripted 130000 more). The other are like any other employees, they do what they are told. It is even more true in the army where you can get jail time or firing squad for desobeying. Grow up.

You tell me to grow up with the reasoning you bring?

- - - Updated - - -

And are you of those people "I would absolutely, if I were in their position, disobey order and desert the army or even better kill my commanding officer" (from being your keyboard) ?

That argument hasn't had any wings since the Nürnberg trials.
I got no choice, I'm just following orders or I might get jailed or worse.

[Poopymonster]

And that somehow in the end doesn't come down to the choices that soldier made about his career?
Sorry but there is a bad part in this war, not two and I rather see the bad one getting fucked than the other.

Then there is the cynical rational of it.
Higher cost for treatment and harder to explain to the home audience given Kremlin since long boosted about taking back the nuclear armaments in Ukraine.

They aren't going home to Russia. Probably ever. They were sent to Belarus. Treatment? Laughable. The Emperor's Peace more likely.

BUT before they die! They can all get together and fuel sweet rave parties by just waving their hands! *untz untz untz*
/s

[Azadina]

Sure, you have a choice. Follow order or go to jail. Great choice right there !

And are you of those people "I would absolutely, if I were in their position, disobey order and desert the army or even better kill my commanding officer" (from being your keyboard) ?

Who said choice has to be between good and bad, or good and better? So far they chose between risk jail and risk dying in war. They chose, and are now irradiated as a result. Now they have yet another choice. Up to them if they pick the worse one yet again or not.

[Breccia]

You should not wish radiation poisoning on your worst enemy.

Agreed.

It's baffling that they wished it on themselves. There can't possibly be a single person in Russia who doesn't know what Chernobyl is or why it's important.

(reads article)

Wow, I had no idea Russian misinformation was a lethal weapon. I hope (but doubt) the information about Russian soldiers/conscripts being sent back home in lead-lined ambulances spreads through Russia. That thing Putin did to kill a political rival? He's now doing it on "loyal" Russians, whose only crime was listening to Putin and following his orders.

[Twdft]

Sure, you have a choice. Follow order or go to jail. Great choice right there !

One of those choices makes you commit war crimes, the other not. If not committing war crimes is something you think is a good idea the choice is obvious.

[Specialka]

One of those choices makes you commit war crimes, the other not. If not committing war crimes is something you think is a good idea the choice is obvious.

I guess, by that logic, any French not going into the Resistance was a Nazi collaborator. Great logic right there !

[YUPPIE]

Sure, you have a choice. Follow order or go to jail.?

you aren't going to jail for deserting on or defying Putin. We're talking about a man who has murdered millions single-handedly and inflicts the most heinous torture imaginable on other humans, and doesn't make this hidden but asserts it as his image of strength. As we've seen from his advisors lying to him, everyone is terrified of him and what he will do to you and everyone you know.

That's why not many people betray him or think of the idea.

[Mekh]

Are you familiar with what you can get if you refused to follow orders or get conscripted (if you do not have the right connection) ?

Radiation poisoning apparently.