Russian invasion of Ukraine

[ati87]

The flipside of that is do we really want to give Russia an excuse to start a war with Europe? Things are going poorly for Putler right now and if he can frame it as the evil West readying to invade Russia to keep Russia weak it would give him the propaganda excuse to his people to start lobbing missiles at NATO or NATO adjacent countries.

The more and more backed into a corner Putler gets the more desperate he is going to get.

Again can't emphasis this often enough in terms of "putin will frame it XYZ" that really doesn't change much compared to the current situation because he is doing that regardless.

[Corvus]

As expected the Russians are having a bit of a whinge about the attack. 'It doesn't create conditions favourable to the continuation of negotiations.'

I don't recall there being any rules that a victim wasn't allowed to fight back.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Ukrainians have to claim there were soldiers in the depot, disguised as oil barrels.

[Azadina]

no, I said WMDs. There hasn't been a chemical weapon strike yet. Undoubtedly that is what will be coming next.

I don't know what people mean by them upping deliberate civilian attacks as the next step in escalation. They've already been doing that since the beginning.

Undoubtedly? Wasn't the N word already inevitable? Which is it then?

[Poopymonster]

If Ukrainian helicopters actually got into Russian air space, blew up a Russian oil depot and got out, that's going to be humiliating for Putler.

How long until he calls it an act of war? This surely would be an act of war.
I mean, he claimed his Ukraine excursion isn't a war.

[YUPPIE]

Undoubtedly? Wasn't the N word already inevitable? Which is it then?

nukes will happen if ukraine is still winning through Russia's eventual use of chemical weapons

by that point, putin would have nothing left

[Toppy]

As expected the Russians are having a bit of a whinge about the attack. 'It doesn't create conditions favourable to the continuation of negotiations.'

I don't recall there being any rules that a victim wasn't allowed to fight back.

As if they were negotiating in good faith regardless. They claim they'll allow civilians to leave, then attack where the civilians gather. They say they'll pause hostilities during talks, and then immediatly bomb targets during talks. They commit war crimes on a daily basis.

There is no negotiating so long as they bold faced lie every moment.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Until he does though, there is nothing left to say from me. I will just wait.

Daily reminder...

[Iphie]

As if they were negotiating in good faith regardless. They claim they'll allow civilians to leave, then attack where the civilians gather. They say they'll pause hostilities during talks, and then immediately bomb targets during talks. They commit war crimes on a daily basis.

There is no negotiating so long as they bold faced lie every moment.

Frankly I wouldn't actually be surprised if the negotiators ARE in good faith but that the army leadership has little to no care about the negotiations, and just does their own thing. I doubt their good faith as well, but with how this is going I'd really not be surprised.

[Torched]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60949791

Remember the video of the guy that was killed when he exited his car with his hands in the air by a russian tank crew, the BBC went there after Ukraine got the area back, and there are 13 other bodies in that 200yard stretch and only 2 of them looked like Ukraine army soldiers.

[Vorkreist]

like they are doing now? Nothing changes.

They might actually use nukes if civilians are targeted inside russian territory.

[Gaidax]

They might actually use nukes if civilians are targeted inside russian territory.

You guys really love that 0 to NUKES in 2 seconds.

Don't be like that meme who goes "the end is nigh" as response to just about anything all the time.

[Barzotti]

As expected the Russians are having a bit of a whinge about the attack. 'It doesn't create conditions favourable to the continuation of negotiations.'

I don't recall there being any rules that a victim wasn't allowed to fight back.

"Wait. That's illegal" in Master chief's voice.

[Corvus]

Geez, the Russians appear to be in full retreat around Kyiv both east and north-west. Ukrainians recapturing a lot of places.

[Toppy]

You guys really love that 0 to NUKES in 2 seconds.

Don't be like that meme who goes "the end is nigh" as response to just about anything all the time.

With how Russia has been behaving and if even half the rumors of Putin are true, then the possibility is very real.

[Vorkreist]

You guys really love that 0 to NUKES in 2 seconds.

Don't be like that meme who goes "the end is nigh" as response to just about anything all the time.

What do you think Putin would do if ukraine forces blast civlians similar to what russia does ? If his army gets rolled over and there is an actual push inside russian territory ?
Why wouldn't Putin drop a nuke on Ukraine as a "justified" defensive measure. He won't be targeting a Nato country and the west wouldn't do shit.

[Shrouded]

Geez, the Russians appear to be in full retreat around Kyiv both east and north-west. Ukrainians recapturing a lot of places.

And hopefully nipping at their heels every step of the way. If the Russians redeploy to Donbas but are in no condition to fight when they arrive, so much the better.

I thought this clip was pretty uplifting after a month of so many depressing tidbits to come out of Ukraine:

https://imgur.com/t/current_events/1R82QRT

[Shadowferal]

Don't be like that meme who goes "the end is nigh" as response to just about anything all the time.

[Huehuecoyotl]

No posts from @Easo? Has his head exploded trying to reconcile his "facts" that Ukraine has had all of its air power destroyed with the video evidence of an attack inside Russia?

Or is he still waiting for confirmation about what the talking points will be for this?

Saying all that, it still isn't beyond the realms of possibility that this is a false-flag attack. But someone a LOT smarter that me would have to explain what it was trying to achieve if it was. It's not like this could cause Vladolph to trigger super secret double war. It isn't going to move the needle on world opinion. So what benefit would there be if it was?

[Shadowferal]

Why wouldn't Putin drop a nuke on Ukraine as a "justified" defensive measure. He won't be targeting a Nato country and the west wouldn't do shit.

Why wouldn't the US use interceptors which are parked in Poland and Germany?