Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Saradain]

There's a couple of things we see about the Russians after their withdrawals.

1. The Ukrainians calling them "orcs" has been oddly fitting. Tho how a supposedly competent army ended up looking and behaving the way the Russians have been speaks volumes about just how poorly trained, ill disciplined and poorly supplied and commanded they are.

2. It's clear they don't see themselves as "liberators" either anymore. They've given up on the pretense of being there to help. The Ukrainian resistance beat that delusion out of them by now. That's why they've been warcriming left and right.

And note, this is how they act and the resistance they are dealing with in the supposedly pro Russian side of the country.

I'm pretty sure by this junction the Russians would be hard pressed to find people inside Ukraine who would want to be Russian. Even among Russian speakers.

I would rather call russians Skavens - all about numbers, no honor, no empathy, collateral damage is a norm rather than exception...They infest and corrupt everything they touch. And russian invaders being greatest cowards there is. They are rats to be exterminated from Ukrainian territory, including the ones currently occupied by russian-supported separatists.

[Zaydin]

They're obviously going to claim that they were "military reserves".

If the allegation bears out, yeah it is pretty obvious Putler wanted to deny potential soldiers to Ukraine. Of course all he is doing is ensuring Ukraine is going to de-Russiafiy itself as best it can over the coming years and move closer to the West.

And bodies aren't being moved until EOD techs confirm the bodies aren't booby trapped apparently.

[Iphie]

I would rather call russians Skavens - all about numbers, no honor, no empathy, collateral damage is a norm rather than exception...They infest and corrupt everything they touch. And russian invaders being greatest cowards there is. They are rats to be exterminated from Ukrainian territory, including the ones currently occupied by russian-supported separatists.

'Skaven' not 'Skavens' the word is both singular and plural. Also, Skaven have more honor than those Russians. (in their own twisted way.)

[PhaelixWW]

If those are gonna be the same previously talked about Czech BMP-1's and not actual tanks, I will be sorely dissapointed. Sources for actually capable tanks are basically non-existant - Poland (~200+) and a bit of Czech Republic (30 tanks). I am counting only those with actual modernization, because otherwise even Ukrainian T-64's are still better due to upgrades.

Wrong. Ukraine does use T-72's, in limited amount (couple batallions, IIRC), with recent modernizations. Plan to arm more units with them was on the way but then war started. And it is a relatively small challenge to train/retrain crews, tanks are very similar (remember, T-72 was originally a cheaper mass mobilization version of T-64 - which is primary MBT for Ukraine).

Sources are saying they'll be T-72s.

[Shadowferal]

I would rather call russians Skavens - all about numbers, no honor, no empathy, collateral damage is a norm rather than exception...They infest and corrupt everything they touch. And russian invaders being greatest cowards there is. They are rats to be exterminated from Ukrainian territory, including the ones currently occupied by russian-supported separatists.

The Iron Horde wouldn't be inaccurate.

[Saradain]

The Iron Horde wouldn't be inaccurate.

Well, russian equipment seems to be equally explosive! And Iron Horde treating their subject vassal states in similar brutal manner.

[Azadina]

So it is being alleged that the Russians executed every male in Bucha who was between 16 and 60 years old.

Difference between Ruski terrorists and ISIS fighters? Fuck all, apart from there being more of the former.

[PhaelixWW]

Euromaidan Press tweeted:

The Ukrainian Muslim battalion "Crimea" has found corpses of civilians near Motyzhyn in Kyiv Oblast who were shot.

According to preliminary information, it is the family of village head Olha Sukhenko who was abducted on 23 March. Official info to follow

I'm not going to directly link the tweet, but it contains a somewhat graphic photo of the bodies, mostly buried in sand, at least one with hands tied.

I feel like we're going to be seeing an awful lot of this over the next week, as Russian troops retreat to the east and locations are reclaimed by Ukrainian forces.

This is a level and concentration of war crimes that we haven't seen from a state actor in some time.

[Zaydin]

Euromaidan Press tweeted:

I'm not going to directly link the tweet, but it contains a somewhat graphic photo of the bodies, mostly buried in sand, at least one with hands tied.

I feel like we're going to be seeing an awful lot of this over the next week, as Russian troops retreat to the east and locations are reclaimed by Ukrainian forces.

This is a level and concentration of war crimes that we haven't seen from a state actor in some time.

I really wish more of these tweets had the photos marked as NSFW or what not so that they were blurred or something like that. Seeing these pictures is sickening and it's just going to lead to more calls for an international intervention in Ukraine against Russia.

[YUPPIE]

I think Russia, and by extension, China are examples of why the US and its close allies should be the only ones to hold nukes,

If Russia didn’t have nukes, we would have invaded them and demilitarized them for all this shit. But because such a corrupt and twisted regime has them, we can’t do anything directly.

[PhaelixWW]

If Russia didn’t have nukes, we would have invaded them and demilitarized them for all this shit.

No, we wouldn't. We probably would have directly intervened in Ukraine, but we wouldn't have invaded Russia, even with no nukes.

Stop fantasizing about WW3. It's disgusting.

[Arrashi]

I really wish more of these tweets had the photos marked as NSFW or what not so that they were blurred or something like that. Seeing these pictures is sickening and it's just going to lead to more calls for an international intervention in Ukraine against Russia.

And i think people should see those photos. To see whats really happening, without sugar coating. And to see what russia really is.

[Iphie]

With these atrocities coming to light, I wonder what Russia's buddies are thinking. NK won't care, but the others? I can't imagine there's not a hint of doubt in their minds now.

[Saradain]

With these atrocities coming to light, I wonder what Russia's buddies are thinking. NK won't care, but the others? I can't imagine there's not a hint of doubt in their minds now.

Cue for an experiment to see whether some posters we have here are actually paid agents or human beings with real brain processing power! Or in a dream world, after seeing all this shit happening, MMO-C would take a zero tolerance stance against all forms of pro-russian propaganda posting...

[Zaydin]

And i think people should see those photos. To see whats really happening, without sugar coating. And to see what russia really is.

I'm not saying the photos shouldn't be there. I'm just wishing they had a NSFW flag for people who can't stomach seeing the atrocities Russia is committing.

[Belize]

With these atrocities coming to light, I wonder what Russia's buddies are thinking. NK won't care, but the others? I can't imagine there's not a hint of doubt in their minds now.

Let's not pretend China remotely cares about human atrocities *vaguely gestures at Uyghurs concentration camps*

[Xyonai]

With these atrocities coming to light, I wonder what Russia's buddies are thinking. NK won't care, but the others? I can't imagine there's not a hint of doubt in their minds now.

I don't think their allies will give a shit. Like attracts like and all that, and most 'anti-western' forces are similar breeds of deplorable.

Though these videos and mounting evidence of somehow even worse War crimes than initially expected will put Russia into a very, very poor negotiating position when it comes to future trade agreements or sanction lifting.

[Iphie]

Let's not pretend China remotely cares about human atrocities *vaguely gestures at Uyghurs concentration camps*

Uyghurs are an 'internal matter'. Ukrainians aren't. You're probably right though. On the other hand, if China doesn't want to be affected by Russia's pariah status now would be the time to show at least *some* support.

[YUPPIE]

No, we wouldn't. We probably would have directly intervened in Ukraine, but we wouldn't have invaded Russia, even with no nukes.

Stop fantasizing about WW3. It's disgusting.

no, no, NO. THAT is false. As EVERYONE says. The ONLY reason Russia is standing is because of their nukes. Can you imagine what would happen if they didn't have nukes? NATO's technological war machine would devour Russia in one swoop and drag Putin out for prosecution in front of the world in chains.

EVERYONE knows the nukes are THE deterrent. If they didn't have them, we WOULD go in.

[Easo]

Bodies need actual 3rd party investigation. I don't care what you will think, they need to be independently verified and ASAP, not months later.

Sources are saying they'll be T-72s.

If those are T-72M's, then I will be disappointed. But, realistically, it is exactly what they will be, from Poland most likely. Their usefulness and actual condition is highly questionable.