You have been wrong at every turn about how things have been going since the start of the war and wanting Ukraine to surrender, even when it was pretty obvious Russia's advances had broken down and had no chance of taking Kyiv.
As for comparing it to Syria are you fucking kidding me! Look at the cities they have already flattened in Ukraine, the civilians they have killed both indiscriminately and intentionally or are they lost in your own personal fog of war?
While you make more sense than Yuppie (that's not saying a lot tbh) and are less egregious than the more obvious Russian shills, you are just coming over like a more sophisticated version now, all too keen to give Russia the benefit of the doubt at every turn, no matter how horrible the confirmed news and pictures coming out of Ukraine on a daily basis.
Seeing you are using them as some sort of excuses for the way Russian troops are acting, how about you find the OSCE reports we should be looking at and link them?
i said it once and ill say it again in this thread. Whatever happens Ukraine should go full mossad on the soldiers who did these things in Ukraine if they can ID them, car bomb them back home 10 years later if they have to.
Maybe I need to be clearer, generally a picture of a document is less worth than a url to an official .ru regime website with said document.
Perhaps I missed that being the case, perhaps not but given the content of the document (which I cant read so taking your word for it) it wont be on a website but then it again need some kinda of verification/more sources.
Russia is doomed as it always has been historically
R.I.P. Democracy
"The difference between stupidity
and genius is that genius has its limits."
--Alexandre Dumas-fils
It does seem like most people got that one wrong, including me. Even most of the "experts" didn't manage to understand Putin's thought process before the invasion, imo. I just couldn't see a good reason for why Putin would make such a big problem over such a minor dispute, and honestly I still don't see any good reasons for why Putin thinks this conflict is worth it.
Last edited by PC2; 2022-04-03 at 01:09 AM.
R.I.P. Democracy
"The difference between stupidity
and genius is that genius has its limits."
--Alexandre Dumas-fils
Anyone who genuinely believed it wasn't going to happen wasn't aware of the full facts as they were being reported on by the Biden administration, by Western governments and by the media, or they didn't want to believe said facts ( not shocking in era of very high distrust of government and the media ), some were engaging in wishful thinking really: It's one thing to hope it doesn't happen, as many people that I know did, but quite another to deny the real genuine possibility.
What were those facts? The kind of troops Russia was mobilizing, the supplies, and crucially: Blood supplies and doctors being sent to the frontlines. Those two facts made it clear Russia was serious about invading, not everyone understood it though.
It's also not a "minor dispute". For Russia Ukraine is a pretty big deal, always has been: Controlling Crimea gives them control of the Black Sea, and Russia also cares enormously about maintaining or expanding it's influence over it's neighbors. Russia was never going to accept Ukraine becoming integrated into the West, not without trying to stop it including the use of military force.
To be clear: We in the west do not have to agree, sympathize or accept Russia's motivations, quite the contrary we have many reasons to oppose them, we do need to understand them however to grasp the full picture.
Last edited by Elenos; 2022-04-03 at 02:44 AM.
"Life is one long series of problems to solve. The more you solve, the better a man you become.... Tribulations spawn in life and over and over again we must stand our ground and face them."
Only Russia bots were denying it. Everyone else basically knew it was a question of when not if. Russia putting troops on the Ukraine border + western intelligence was telling everyone to get ready for it. It's one of the reasons why Ukraine is doing as well as they are. Everyone knew it was coming.