Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Fugus]

Is the Russian army just full of impotent monsters taking out their failures on innocent civilians?

I hate to admit it, but the longer this goes on, the more convinced I become that Putler isn't the problem, it's Russia/Russian culture itself that is the problem.

At which point you have to ask who was the leadership that fostered and encouraged that culture while shutting down alternatives to it.

[Zaydin]

At which point you have to ask who was the leadership that fostered and encouraged that culture while shutting down alternatives to it.

I've read an analysis of Russian culture in which basically the Russian people see shit like corruption as inevitable and will tolerate it so long as it leads to stability. The same mentality would likely explain why they are a bunch of sheep following Putler as he drives Russia to ruin; he kept Russia relatively stable in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

It's ironic; Putler likely started this war in order to show the world how STRONK Russia was only for him to prove the exact opposite, that its military is poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly maintained and that it's status as a gas station masquerading as a country is collapsingfnow that Europe is speeding up weaning itself off Russian oil and gas to avoid funding the failed Russian state.

[PhaelixWW]

Euromaidan Press tweeted:

The Ukrainian Muslim battalion "Crimea" has found corpses of civilians near Motyzhyn in Kyiv Oblast who were shot.

According to preliminary information, it is the family of village head Olha Sukhenko who was abducted on 23 March. Official info to follow

I'm not going to directly link the tweet, but it contains a somewhat graphic photo of the bodies, mostly buried in sand, at least one with hands tied.

Update from The Guardian: Bodies of 5 civilians, including mayor, found half buried with hands tied in Motyzhyn, officials say

The bodies of five civilians were found with their hands tied in the village of Motyzhyn, west of Kyiv, including those of the mayor, her husband and son, Ukrainian authorities have said.

Police showed journalists from Agence France-Presse four bodies, including that of the mayor, half buried in a grave in a pine forest bordering her house in Motyzhyn.

A fifth body was found in a little well in the garden.

The dead, including two men not part of the mayor’s family, reportedly had their hands tied behind their backs.

The mayor, Olga Sukhenko aged 50, her husband and their son, were abducted by Russian troops on 24 March, police said.

Residents said the mayor and her husband had refused to collaborate with the invading Russian forces.

[Breccia]

Bodies of 5 civilians, including mayor, found half buried with hands tied in Motyzhyn, officials say

Surely the Russian propaganda will say "they killed themselves, then bound their own hands then buried themselves".

[PhaelixWW]

Surely the Russian propaganda will say "they killed themselves, then bound their own hands then buried themselves".

Russian propaganda won't speak about them at all, but if it did, it would also call them Nazis who deserved what they did to themselves.

[Zaydin]

Russian propaganda won't speak about them at all, but if it did, it would also call them Nazis who deserved what they did to themselves.

Or they will do what they did about the atrocities in Bucha: Call it fake or actually war crimes committed by Ukraine against ethnic Russians.

[PhaelixWW]

Or they will do what they did about the atrocities in Bucha: Call it fake or actually war crimes committed by Ukraine against ethnic Russians.

Oh, you mean like a certain "I'm totally not a Russian shill!" poster did earlier this morning ITT?

Yeah, you're right.

[Zaydin]

Oh, you mean like a certain "I'm totally not a Russian shill!" poster did earlier this morning ITT?

Yeah, you're right.

It's crap I've seen regurgitated by Putler paid trolls elsewhere today, too.

[PhaelixWW]

It's crap I've seen regurgitated by Putler paid trolls elsewhere today, too.

Gonna be somewhat hard going forward, when...

Satallite Images show the bodies in Bucha have been there for weeks

[Zaydin]

Gonna be somewhat hard going forward, when...

Do you think Putlers paid trolls will care about things like facts and evidence?

[PhaelixWW]

Do you think Putlers paid trolls will care about things like facts and evidence?

I don't give a shit what they care about. I give a shit about how likely they are to be able to convince other people that those explanations are plausible. And the mounting, tangible evidence directly refutes their false narrative quite resoundingly.

The only people who will believe them about this are the people who were lost already.

[Liftbrul]

What little sympathy I had left for Russians completely evaporated with Bucha. A nuclear holocaust would be too good for that shithole country and its people.

[Poopymonster]

Gonna be somewhat hard going forward, when...

Those are people who were so overcome with joy at their liberators arrival that they died dancing in the streets of heart attacks. Those holes in their heads? Excess happiness burst from their skulls. Tied hands? Precautionary measure so they didn't hurt themselves or others during their dancing. We did not disturb the bodies out of respect for the dead.
/s

[PhaelixWW]

Those are people who were so overcome with joy at their liberators arrival that they died dancing in the streets of heart attacks. Those holes in their heads? Excess happiness burst from their skulls. Tied hands? Precautionary measure so they didn't hurt themselves or others during their dancing. We did not disturb the bodies out of respect for the dead.
/s

So overcome that they did this all at least 11 days before the Russians left town, too.

Naturally.

A flimsy lot, those Ukrainians, eh?

/s

[Jastall]

This isn't surprising at all. Poorly led and supported conscripts in an army notorious for its brutality towards its own troops, with lax (at best) rules of engagement, who are losing left and right in a war they didn't even know was coming and thought they would win by default when they did hear of it? The atrocities were as inevitable as they are tragic.

It'll get worse before it gets better. The Russian army will leave piles of corpses as they retreat and I'm not certain if their officers are even willing to make them stop.

[Xyonai]

I don't give a shit what they care about. I give a shit about how likely they are to be able to convince other people that those explanations are plausible. And the mounting, tangible evidence directly refutes their false narrative quite resoundingly.

The only people who will believe them about this are the people who were lost already.

I'm on the same boat too. I don't really care if the shills ever come back because their input into any of these discussions offers negative value. At least when they'd pop up in US domestic issues threads you could giggle at the profound ignorance but holding water for actual murderers is really something else that I can't really find polite words to describe.

So yeah, who gives a fuck what they think. They can seethe and mald in their little cope cages while their wet dreams of being a respected country collapse all around them because their leader is a fucking psychopath and their soldiers are incompetent monsters.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

So overcome that they did this all at least 11 days before the Russians left town, too.

Naturally.

A flimsy lot, those Ukrainians, eh?

/s

I have it on good authority it was a localized Rapture event

[Azadina]

Where has the resident fog of war expert been, while the footage of Ruski warcrimes started airing outside the fog? Maybe he could explain that those footage aren't from confirmed source, or if they are, then those bodies have not been investigated by 5 independent coroners, other forensic experts, and then results rubber stamped by 15 lawyers to confirm it was Russians who did it. Oh...and if all that happens, then I guess then it's the usual "well, war sucks".

[Corvus]

Well... to that end per The Guardian:

I'd seen that and was having some trouble processing it. I don't want to think what could be worse than what we have already seen. Biden has doubled down on calling Putin a war criminal and Australia has now joined in as well. The Polish PM has labelled it genocide. There is talk of having Russia kicked off the UN Humans Rights commission, and with good reason, but that takes a 2/3rds majority vote. You'd like to think after the evidence presented that would be no problem.

These photos were taken 41 days apart - I do not envy him.

Russia delenda est.

[Zaydin]

Where has the resident fog of war expert been, while the footage of Ruski warcrimes started airing outside the fog? Maybe he could explain that those footage aren't from confirmed source, or if they are, then those bodies have not been investigated by 5 independent coroners, other forensic experts, and then results rubber stamped by 15 lawyers to confirm it was Russians who did it. Oh...and if all that happens, then I guess then it's the usual "well, war sucks".

Yeah, it is kind of funny that he disappeared as more and more evidence of Putlers atrocities started flowing in.

Think he is waiting for his talking points from the Kremlin?