Russian invasion of Ukraine

[ruwshtyb]

Anti-tank or anti-ship mines are not.

Anti-personnel mines against civilian targets in civilian areas?

You bet your ass they are.

How are anti-tank and anti-ship mines not? Commerical ships in the black sea would randomly blow and people would be killed.

The fact is that those water mines can explode anywhere across the globe.

[ruwshtyb]

It is absolutely ridiculous to watch. I wonder if his bosses think anyone here will actually believe his rubbish. I really wanna post the Tiananmen Square copypasta, but I know I would get hit with trolling .

Tiananmen Square haha.

[PhaelixWW]

How are anti-tank and anti-ship mines not? Commerical ships in the black sea would randomly blow and people would be killed.

Because only certainly areas are mined which don't accommodate "random commercial ships"?

If you had proof that this was a thing, then I'm sure you'd share it with us, yes?

Otherwise, you're just full of shit.

[ruwshtyb]

Because only certainly areas are mined which don't accommodate "random commercial ships"?

If you had proof that this was a thing, then I'm sure you'd share it with us, yes?

Otherwise, you're just full of shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_mine

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...id-ukraine-war

https://www.infobae.com/en/2022/03/2...%20ten%20days.

[Xyonai]

How are anti-tank and anti-ship mines not? Commerical ships in the black sea would randomly blow and people would be killed.

The fact is that those water mines can explode anywhere across the globe.

See the above link in Elegiac's post. Here, I'll even copy/paste the relevant snippet in case you're having trouble reading it:

Placing minefields without marking and recording them for later removal is considered a war crime under Protocol II of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, which is itself an annex to the Geneva Conventions.

[Elegiac]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_mine

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...id-ukraine-war

https://www.infobae.com/en/2022/03/2...%20ten%20days.

A stray mine is not evidence that Ukraine is mining commercial shipping routes, habibi. Try again.

Versus deliberately leaving unmarked landmines in civilian eras, like Russia is doing, which is absolutely a war crime.

[zorkuus]

Oh yeah. You mean people who did sucide to attack the WTO are illogical. hmhm.

Yup, you're juvenile. Your argumentation skills need a lot of work. I suppose this works on your fellow idiots.

[Xyonai]

It's a matter of intent.

If the intent is to place mines to deter boats and vehicles, then it's fine as long as processes are in place to retrieve unspent munitions upon peacetime.

Russia's just throwing exploding mines into civilian areas while leaving and I have my doubts that they've got any intent to pick them back up again.

But please tell us more about how we're all ill informed about the situation at hand, kid.

[Edge-]

Russia's just throwing exploding mines into civilian areas while leaving and I have my doubts that they've got any intent to pick them back up again.

We can only hope the removal efforts go better than the removal of mines and unexploded munitions in Vietnam and southeast Asia from the US.

[Xyonai]

We can only hope the removal efforts go better than the removal of mines and unexploded munitions in Vietnam and southeast Asia from the US.

One can hope, really. I imagine much of the reconstruction after the fact will be spent picking up discarded mines and other munitions.

Though, as a silver lining, them deploying these things en-masse seems to speak, to me, that they don't have any intent to return to those locations in the near future.

[Saradain]

Now that the megacolossal thread derailer is banned once more.

UN is voting to kick Russia out of UN Human Rights Council, on thursday. Does Russia have a VETO right in this? It's UN after all, I would not be surprised. What does country like Russia (or Saudi Arabia) even do in such council...??

[ghotihook]

Now that the megacolossal thread derailer is banned once more.

UN is voting to kick Russia out of UN Human Rights Council, on thursday. Does Russia have a VETO right in this? It's UN after all, I would not be surprised. What does country like Russia (or Saudi Arabia) even do in such council...??

I have been watching some of the security council stuff and I had the same question. Like what's the point of any of this if Russia can just veto any and every decision. Maybe someone better informed can explain it for us.

[zorkuus]

Now that the megacolossal thread derailer is banned once more.

UN is voting to kick Russia out of UN Human Rights Council, on thursday. Does Russia have a VETO right in this? It's UN after all, I would not be surprised. What does country like Russia (or Saudi Arabia) even do in such council...??

There's no veto power in the general assembly. All they need is a 2/3 majority vote.

All in all, the UN could use a good restructuring around free democratic nations. Kick out all of the bad faith actors.

[Belize]

Well that was a 'fun' hour.

Anyways.

[Saradain]

There's no veto power in the general assembly. All they need is a 2/3 majority vote.

All in all, the UN could use a good restructuring around free democratic nations. Kick out all of the bad faith actors.

2/3 majority vote doesn't sound too bad. Question is, how many allies Russia have from less developed countries that may or may not depend on them. China to begin with, then lots of african countries as far as I know.

[Slant]

I don't entirely disagree, but isn't it essentially blaming the Russian people for being subjected to decades of propaganda? Combine that with decades of a fucked authoritarian political system and you're gonna get a population with a warped opinion of current events.

Whether by their own fault or not, they are invested in this war, they are complicit. Now, life's unfair. And you're right in saying I'm unfair, too. But see, civilians being killed and worse in Ukraine didn't ask for it, either. And unlike Russians that have the choice to investigate and change their minds, the people in Ukraine do not have a choice in being killed... or worse.

So fuck 'em. No mercy. @Mihalik is spot on. They had their chance, people have been telling them time and time again, sometimes even relatives and sometimes even their own sons that are soldiers. Just like Brexiteers, just like Trumpkins.. no mercy. They reap what they sow.

And for Russia it's going to be an expensive payday down the road. If they give up Ukraine and concede the war right now, they're still fucked. The West is in the process of adopting a policy that can be summarized as "Crush Russia". If they think the Soviet Union's collapse has been bad, imagine what would have happened if the West hadn't opened up. That's the future for Russia now. They are going to be isolated and cut off from Western funds long term. They are an untrustworthy nation and they need generations to build that trust up again.

They fucked up in that they had the chance with my generation. We did a hard reset on everything, relations, business... and we gave them chances, time and time again. This is it. We're done.

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100 years of difference yes, but also sorta kinda. From what I know a lot of rural Russia doesn't exactly have the best access to non-state-sanctioned news sources, so it could very well explain a considerable amount of the ignorance.

Ignorantia legis non excusat.

Don't really give a shit if they know or not. They should know. And they will learn this when they bear the consequences.

[zorkuus]

I don't entirely disagree, but isn't it essentially blaming the Russian people for being subjected to decades of propaganda? Combine that with decades of a fucked authoritarian political system and you're gonna get a population with a warped opinion of current events.

This isn't a one time thing, an anomaly. Russia has always leaned toward authoritarianism. "It's the governments fault, not mine" doesn't work anymore. Time to get a new excuse.

[Rasulis]

Taiwan tightens Russia export curbs, details tech rules

The interesting part.

A U.S. official said last week that Taiwan's TSMC, the world's largest contract chipmaker, had exited the Russian market, cutting off the Moscow Center of SPARC Technologies' access to Elbrus chips, which are widely used in Russian intelligence and military systems.

Back to analog?

Tom's hardware reported that in 2014 Russia failed to produce their own Elbrus CPU chips, and ended up having them manufactured in Taiwan.

Russia's dependence on western technology for manufacturing is truly mind-boggling. The large-diameter steel pipelines for Siberia pipeline were produced domestically by Vyksa. However, the machineries used to produce those pipelines are manufactured by Nucor.

[Flarelaine]

Mountains of gold, the fuck? Who the hell are these people, conquistadors?

Regardless of the specific promise, the point is that Russia motivates their regular army with looting.

They are officially encouraged to do war crimes.

Russia never changes.

[Poopymonster]

One can hope, really. I imagine much of the reconstruction after the fact will be spent picking up discarded mines and other munitions.

Though, as a silver lining, them deploying these things en-masse seems to speak, to me, that they don't have any intent to return to those locations in the near future.

Be a real bitch if they were moved to the Russia border.
"You used mines! Those are war crimes! We were right to invade, er, go on vacation into Ukraine!"
Nah P-diddy, your army fails so badly those are the ones they left on their way out after we pushed your shit in.

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Now that the megacolossal thread derailer is banned once more.

Blight has a relevant question...