Russian invasion of Ukraine

[NED funded]

le pen literally is paid by russia, as for others their interest just align, republicans/orban see putin as an allie because he "Triggers the libs" which is massacring of civilians in syria/ukraine and crushing of dissenters and lgbtq rights, so the common midwest working man needs to see them take a pro russia stance on his most important issues.

Weirdly as it is. In Spain the left wing ppl are all surprisingly pro russian lol

[Ripster42]

Weirdly as it is. In Spain the left wing ppl are all surprisingly pro russian lol

Didn't the russian commies send troops to support the spanish commies during their civil war?

[Barzotti]

Didn't the russian commies send troops to support the spanish commies during their civil war?

They were (the international brigades). In France some left wing people are clearly pro Russian too (such as Melenchon).

[Jastall]

It seems a very familiar refrain - every French election you hear about how well Le Pen is going to do, only for them not to in the end.

Even goes back to her dear old dad. The Le Pens are unelectable because everyone turns on them in the second turn. So long as Macron doesn't completely fuck things up, he's got a fairly comfortable re-election ahead of him.

[Makabreska]

Even goes back to her dear old dad. The Le Pens are unelectable because everyone turns on them in the second turn. So long as Macron doesn't completely fuck things up, he's got a fairly comfortable re-election ahead of him.

Man, her dad was really something. Was funny to see how she tried to distance from him when she started to gather support.

[Levelfive]

Yeah I understand the reason why people say republicans are Putin's party, totally do. Just that republicans being usual idiots doesn't really disturb the international order really. And I definitely can't see a president alone suddenly saying that they're out of NATO, cutting off all the positive ties with Europe for fun. Since given the examples, such betrayal of Europe might in theory as well turn them hostile towards US...playing right into Russia's hands. But that's only in theory, in practise - not gonna happen most likely.

Orban still needs to understand that if he wants to play friends with Russia, they are not going to fare so well in NATO and once that NATO-given protection is taken from Hungary, Hungary can enjoy russian friendship with all the possible invasion perks that come with it

There are many indications that Trump would have left NATO in a second term, even aside from claims that he said as much, and that he still would if he were to be re-elected. He did almost everything else Russia wanted so there's no reason to think he wouldn't be happy to "play right into Russia's hands" by leaving NATO--Trump was Putin's most useful idiot, and can be again. Putin's guessing--probably correctly--that Americans will be so mad about paying extra for gas that he'll have Trump back and doing Russia's bidding soon enough, provided Putin lasts that long.

[Makabreska]

Putin's guessing--probably correctly--that Americans will be so mad about paying extra for gas that he'll have Trump back and doing Russia's bidding soon enough, provided Putin lasts that long.

Don't they have enough of their own fossil fuels? And don't they sell the excess of gas to EU (as was discussed when searching for Russian fuels alternative)?

[Kaleredar]

There are many indications that Trump would have left NATO in a second term, even aside from claims that he said as much, and that he still would if he were to be re-elected. He did almost everything else Russia wanted so there's no reason to think he wouldn't be happy to "play right into Russia's hands" by leaving NATO--Trump was Putin's most useful idiot, and can be again. Putin's guessing--probably correctly--that Americans will be so mad about paying extra for gas that he'll have Trump back and doing Russia's bidding soon enough, provided Putin lasts that long.

2024 is still a ways out. Americans still resolutely support Ukraine, and Trump’s track record with supporting Russia, especially at the start of this whole ordeal, isn’t good for him.

In fact, most people disproving of Biden’s handling of Ukraine say he isn’t doing enough to help, rather than thinking the US should sod off and think of themselves.

I don’t think this particular avenue plays out well for trump in any reelection bid he may plague the world with.

[Levelfive]

Don't they have enough of their own fossil fuels? And don't they sell the excess of gas to EU (as was discussed when searching for Russian fuels alternative)?

LOL. I mean, yes and yes--do you think that has any bearing on US oil companies profiteering?

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2024 is still a ways out. Americans still resolutely support Ukraine, and Trump’s track record with supporting Russia, especially at the start of this whole ordeal, isn’t good for him.

In fact, most people disproving of Biden’s handling of Ukraine say he isn’t doing enough to help, rather than thinking the US should sod off and think of themselves.

I don’t think this particular avenue plays out well for trump in any reelection bid he may plague the world with.

I hope to god you're right. But you know how we are. Right now the economy is good, unemployment is low, but Democrats can't say that without being accused of being out of touch because people *feel* like things are bad and the cost of food and gas is high (price gouging), which they blame on Biden.

[Belize]

Don't they have enough of their own fossil fuels? And don't they sell the excess of gas to EU (as was discussed when searching for Russian fuels alternative)?

We do, but the average Republican is retarded.

[Saradain]

UN has voted to expel Russia (at least temporarily) from UN Human Right's Council.





Surprisingly many countries voting against, but thankfully not enough.

[Yunru]

True russan morale right now.

[qwerty123456]

So how many convicts do we figure Putler conscripted from Russian prisons due to the ever growing pile of evidence we have of Russian conscripts committing horrific war crimes in Ukraine? Or would 'Special Operation Crimes' be more acceptable for our resident Putleristas?

Look up the estimated number of rapes they committed in WWII. It's like every other country combined then multiplied by 5 or 10 or something. That's just normal Russian military operations.

[jonnysensible]

Look up the estimated number of rapes they committed in WWII. It's like every other country combined then multiplied by 5 or 10 or something. That's just normal Russian military operations.

its that dark old joke 'more russians were born in berlin than moscow in 1946'

[Cynep]

Ukraine has allot of Russians and the assumption was, just like in previous cases, that those Russians would help the Russian army. Well, they aren't.

There is a difference between Russian imperialists who want to build a "Russian world" separate from the "decadent West", and people of Russian ancestry who want to be a part of the global community. I'm occasionally repeating this for over 8 years now.

[Finlandia WOAT]

https://youtu.be/0THZZioeFgs

If any Russians are reading this: the sugar is in your provincial governors house. He's hoarding the sugar. He's hoarding the sugar and petrol. It's in the basement. Putin isn't to blame. Putin is strong. It's the provincial governors fault. He has the sugar. It's in the basement of his multi million (US) dollar mansion he managed to buy on a public servants salary. He has the sugar.

[jonnysensible]

https://youtu.be/0THZZioeFgs

If any Russians are reading this: the sugar is in your provincial governors house. He's hoarding the sugar. He's hoarding the sugar and petrol. It's in the basement. Putin isn't to blame. Putin is strong. It's the provincial governors fault. He has the sugar. It's in the basement of his multi million (US) dollar mansion he managed to buy on a public servants salary. He has the sugar.

must protect sugar

[Mihalik]

Here's another thing I'm struggling with.

The attitude of the developing world. Especially Latin American nations such as Mexico, Brazil etc.

There's a lot of "not giving a fuck" not even on a lip service level towards what Russia is doing. I understand that for some developing world nations cutting ties with Russia or upsetting Russia carries large economic and security risks, too large to assume. But nations like the ones I mentioned above have no meaningful economic, political or security ties to Russia, the unwillingness to join the sanctions or even to vote for instead of abstaining from what is really just a symbolic vote to me shows a shocking degree of lack of moral consistency.

They decry western imperialism and the undue influence of the west, but are unwilling to even symbolically stand with a fellow non western nation that finds itself in a situation worse than their own, just because incidentally the west happens to back them.

I'm like...Yes, America bad. But why are you all unable to find a moral fiber here, not for America or the West, but for Ukrainians sake.

[Makabreska]

Here's another thing I'm struggling with.

The attitude of the developing world. Especially Latin American nations such as Mexico, Brazil etc.

I mean, remind yourself who is in charge of Brazil.

[Edge-]

But nations like the ones I mentioned above have no meaningful economic, political or security ties to Russia, the unwillingness to join the sanctions or even to vote for instead of abstaining from what is really just a symbolic vote to me shows a shocking degree of lack of moral consistency.

Focused on issues actually directly related to them, instead. I think of it along the lines of what we heard from soldiers in Afghanistan and shit. About how the country wasn't ready for democracy because everyone was simply focused on "surviving" and there was no additional mental capacity to think about things like filing systems, democracy, voting, legal systems etc. because most of the average peoples days were spent simply trying to get by and feed themselves and their families.

It's not a 1:1 in this context, but I think it's a similar mentality of, "We're focused on simply trying to survive, we don't have time for the bullshit that western nations are pulling with each other and are glad that, for once, it doesn't involve us."

They decry western imperialism and the undue influence of the west, but are unwilling to even symbolically stand with a fellow non western nation that finds itself in a situation worse than their own, just because incidentally the west happens to back them.

Alternatively: They're simply staying out of it altogether. It's not their fight. It's not their problem. They're not going to act "imperially" by getting involved in something that they're not involved with.

Not defending the actions or anything, but that's how it makes sense to me as I've been following some of these developments.