1. #15681
    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Now consider how much the Russians had to fuck up to be booted from a Human Rights committee that was chaired, not so long ago, by Saudi Fucking Arabia.
    I mean that's a failure of the UN. What the Saudis did in Yemen is hardly better, and for all we know a fair bit worse, than what's happening in Ukraine. But for NA/EU peoples it's foreigners getting killed somewhere, sucks to be them but hardly anyone cares. Ukraine is closer to home, there's the threat of escalation, and let's put the cards on the tables here, they're white Christians so we (royal we) care more about them than about Muslims.

    Plus while Russia supplies gas to a good number of EU states, Saudi Arabia sells tons of oil to darn near everyone. They'll have to do far worse than being assholes to their women and invading Yemen to get sanctioned.
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  2. #15682
    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Here's another thing I'm struggling with.

    The attitude of the developing world. Especially Latin American nations such as Mexico, Brazil etc.

    There's a lot of "not giving a fuck" not even on a lip service level towards what Russia is doing. I understand that for some developing world nations cutting ties with Russia or upsetting Russia carries large economic and security risks, too large to assume. But nations like the ones I mentioned above have no meaningful economic, political or security ties to Russia, the unwillingness to join the sanctions or even to vote for instead of abstaining from what is really just a symbolic vote to me shows a shocking degree of lack of moral consistency.

    They decry western imperialism and the undue influence of the west, but are unwilling to even symbolically stand with a fellow non western nation that finds itself in a situation worse than their own, just because incidentally the west happens to back them.

    I'm like...Yes, America bad. But why are you all unable to find a moral fiber here, not for America or the West, but for Ukrainians sake.
    ROFLMAO morality that's a good one, the United States is not defending Ukraine out of a sense of morality same goes for the West. The simple fact is there is nothing in it for developing countries to take as strong stance against Russia. You also mentioned the history those countries are still digging out of the hole of America's regime change policies, invasions and war crimes which no one cared about at the time because MERICA. The very cherry on top of this shit cake for them is America and the West welcoming Ukrainian refugees with open arms after decades of seeing their refugees beaten, kicked and derided. I mean I can go on but it's pretty clear why they are where they are on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    I mean that's a failure of the UN. What the Saudis did in Yemen is hardly better, and for all we know a fair bit worse, than what's happening in Ukraine. But for NA/EU peoples it's foreigners getting killed somewhere, sucks to be them but hardly anyone cares. Ukraine is closer to home, there's the threat of escalation, and let's put the cards on the tables here, they're white Christians so we (royal we) care more about them than about Muslims.

    Plus while Russia supplies gas to a good number of EU states, Saudi Arabia sells tons of oil to darn near everyone. They'll have to do far worse than being assholes to their women and invading Yemen to get sanctioned.
    It is indeed worse the Saudis are starving 17 million people to death and have committed countless war crimes fully supported by the United States. The only saving grace is now they have agreed to a cease fire in theory, this has been going on for 7 years and no one gives a shit.

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    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-interc...ort/a-61390212

    And apparently Germany has been picking up some of their Russian chatter about killing civilians.

  4. #15684
    Putin's spokesorc, when asked if Russia had lost thousands of dead said 'Yes, we have suffered significant losses '. And then went on to try and justify it all again.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...ost_type=share

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    The UN is beoynd irony... and totally pointless and ineffective. Free democratic nations should reform under a new banner where all the shit countries aren't welcome.
    It would seem the biggest human rights move that could be made right now is to ensure the Ukrainians are equipped to kick the Russians the hell out of their country.

    UN is just there to point fingers.
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.

  6. #15686
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-interc...ort/a-61390212

    And apparently Germany has been picking up some of their Russian chatter about killing civilians.
    Good, more evidence. This country that shall not be named must be made to rot for the next few decades. It will be a special economic collapse operation.

  7. #15687
    According to a Finnish newspaper they will apply for NATO membership on the 14th.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...m_source=share

    And the Finnish FM has said security guarantees have been made for during the approval process, just in case Russia gets uppity.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...m_source=share
    Last edited by Corvus; 2022-04-08 at 01:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    According to a Finnish newspaper they will apply for NATO membership on the 14th.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...m_source=share

    And the Finnish FM has said security guarantees have been made for during the approval process, just in case Russia gets uppity.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...m_source=share
    And if it's true Putler is going to scream bloody murder about it while leaving out how it is entirely his fault that Finnish opinion on joining NATO has swung so heavily in favor of joining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    According to a Finnish newspaper they will apply for NATO membership on the 14th.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...m_source=share

    And the Finnish FM has said security guarantees have been made for during the approval process, just in case Russia gets uppity.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...m_source=share
    I wish them a speedy and hassle-free entry into the alliance. Let Russia quake in fear with the addition of 800 miles of land border with NATO.

  10. #15690
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Putin's spokesorc, when asked if Russia had lost thousands of dead said 'Yes, we have suffered significant losses '. And then went on to try and justify it all again.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...ost_type=share
    How do ya think Orcs feel, that they're being compared to Ruskies? Not cool, this kinda Orc shaming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    And if it's true Putler is going to scream bloody murder about it while leaving out how it is entirely his fault that Finnish opinion on joining NATO has swung so heavily in favor of joining.
    As if these mongrels would ever admit something's their own fault. 'Something something russia's ever the victim boohoo...'
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    As if these mongrels would ever admit something's their own fault.
    Seems to be the MO of Regressive Conservative Fuckheads the world over: Attack made-up problems and take absolutely no responsibility for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruwshtyb View Post
    LOL. Less violent. You mean United States put more people in jail than any other nation on the planet?
    Weird flex considering Russias incarceration rate isn't anywhere that could be considered low.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    The UN is beoynd irony... and totally pointless and ineffective. Free democratic nations should reform under a new banner where all the shit countries aren't welcome.
    The failure of the UN is mostly because of the permanent members of the security council which include the US and UK and not because you have shitty countries.
    And non of the current members will ever do anything to reduce the power of the Security Council in the fear that they will be effected in some ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    I mean that's a failure of the UN. What the Saudis did in Yemen is hardly better, and for all we know a fair bit worse, than what's happening in Ukraine. But for NA/EU peoples it's foreigners getting killed somewhere, sucks to be them but hardly anyone cares. Ukraine is closer to home, there's the threat of escalation, and let's put the cards on the tables here, they're white Christians so we (royal we) care more about them than about Muslims.

    Plus while Russia supplies gas to a good number of EU states, Saudi Arabia sells tons of oil to darn near everyone. They'll have to do far worse than being assholes to their women and invading Yemen to get sanctioned.
    Another major difference which is just less racial is that for the EU Ukraine is within our borders. Unlike lets say Syria you don't have a massive buffer between Syria and Europe that will be forced to take millions of refugees (turkey).

    And pre war Ukraine has allot more citizens then pre war Syria so potentially the refugee crisis because of this war will be double in raw numbers and 100 times worse in what we (europe) have to take in. Right-wingers complained about taking in a dozen Syrian refugees well soon you could potentially have millions.

    Also if we do get a refugee crisis then don't be shocked that just because the refugees in this case are white Christians that they won't be received with open arms. Right now it's still not in huge massive numbers.

  15. #15695
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fbi-r...105553756.html
    The FBI silently removed Russian malware to thwart global cyberattacks
    Attorney General Merrick B. Garland has revealed that the United States secretly removed malware from computer networks around the world over the past few weeks to pre-empt Russian cyberattacks. As The New York Times reports, Garland's announcement comes shortly after the White House warned companies that Russia could attack critical infrastructure in the country, such as financial institutions and the electric grid. Apparently, the malware the US removed enabled the intelligence arm of the Russian military called the GRU to create botnets out of the infected computer networks.

    According to the Justice Department, the malware was designed to infect firewalls and made the compromised networks part of a botnet called Cyclops Blink. It's controlled by Sandworm, a notorious group that the US government had previously connected to the GRU. Cyclops Blink is Sandworm's latest known botnet, and it only came to light back in February. It's still unclear what Russia was planning to do with the hijacked computers, but botnets are typically used to perform large-scale Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks, as well as to send spam and to compromise sensitive information.

    In its press release, the DOJ said the FBI notified owners of infected devices in the US before Cyclops Blink was identified in February 23rd. It also notified companies outside the country through local law enforcement partners. However, US authorities didn't want to wait to find out what the botnet would be used for.

    The Justice Department and the FBI obtained secret court orders in the US and secured the help of governments worldwide to quietly remove the malware from infected devices. Those court orders even gave them the power to remotely remove the malware from American companies' networks without their knowledge. After the feds disinfected the compromised machines, they also closed the external management ports Sandworm was using for access.

    Over the past months, the Biden administration has been exposing as much intelligence on Russia as possible without giving away its actions to catch Putin off guard. This disclosure is just its latest effort to send a message to the Russian president. The fact that Sandworm infiltrated networks around the world to create a botnet just shows, however, that there's a cyber warfare going on that might end up affecting countries other than Ukraine. If you'll recall, a major cyberattack took down Ukraine's government websites before the Russian invasion of the country began. Ukraine's government, as well as US and UK authorities, blamed the attacks on the GRU.
    Nicely done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    Also if we do get a refugee crisis then don't be shocked that just because the refugees in this case are white Christians that they won't be received with open arms. Right now it's still not in huge massive numbers.
    It is massive numbers: We have 4.3 million Ukrainian refugees in Europe as we speak in 1 month and a half. In contrast Syria was 6 million total.

    I expect over 10 million especially if Russia starts gaining massive swathes of territory in the East.

    There are several reasons I think why Europe has been so welcoming. Yes there is a significant racial and cultural element but it's also due to the nature of the war: Syria is a civil war, and the sentiment is that if the Arabs want to kill each other over who rules the country then it's not our concern to help them, and very few people believe in the notion the rebels would ever create a western style democracy. So why should we care is a view.

    In contrast Ukraine is a European nation, a broken corrupt oligarchy sure but with actual legitimate elections and democracy in a lot of ways, that has been invaded by a Great Power who intends to conquer them or force them to capitulate their sovereignty in some ways. So people have genuine sympathy for the people of Ukraine due to that.

    Also the vast majority of refugees are women, many with children, in contrast to most other refugee crises where there quite a lot of men, which isn't the case here given that men can't leave Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    It is massive numbers: We have 4.3 million Ukrainian refugees in Europe as we speak in 1 month and a half. In contrast Syria was 6 million total.

    I expect over 10 million especially if Russia starts gaining massive swathes of territory in the East.
    And most of them are in Poland and a bit more spread out.
    But now imagine double or even triple that number and start talking years instead of weeks.
    Currently the war and all of the things are still fresh but like with most stories things people get numb to horror stories and in a year or so humans are less forgiven.

    Just saying, don't be shocked when people stop being welcoming.

  18. #15698
    The latest Nazi crime committed by the Ukrainians according to the Russian foreign ministry - appropriating the recipe for bortsch. I kid you not.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...m_source=share

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    Just saying, don't be shocked when people stop being welcoming.
    Oh I won't be shocked, especially when the wealthy people in Western Europe are asked to help out in the same way that Poland and Romania, my country, have helped out when we get overwhelmed: Poland, Romania, Hungary etc. can't sustain this level for much longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fbi-r...105553756.html
    The FBI silently removed Russian malware to thwart global cyberattacks


    Nicely done.
    It's about to sound like a case of colic broke out. Calling it an invasion of privacy, they should have been warned about this quiet super secret operation that would tip off their friends, people saying it's their choice to have an infected computer and the US should just have a betterer computer so it wasn't infected.

    The same people who responded to the email from Nortin Antivirus, called the number, paid the 300 bucks to download the "fix" for the "security issue", and are now infested multiple viruses on multiple levels. Ignoring the fact they never used Norton Antivirus, nor Nortin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The latest Nazi crime committed by the Ukrainians according to the Russian foreign ministry - appropriating the recipe for bortsch. I kid you not.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...m_source=share
    Was their version of bortsch that bad? NATO and US funded kitchens?
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    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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