Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Slant]

Seems unlikely to be able to destroy an entire convoy unless they have significant ground forces in the area.

The entire point of sending supply's and men in large convoys is you limit how many of your transports the enemy has time to shoot as they move, it's essentially the same concept large herd animals use to minimize predictors effectiveness.

Hopefully tho the Ukrainians managed to inflict significant enought losses on it.

I mean, they did it to the first convoy that was longer...

[kail]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FP96XeeX...jpg&name=large

So much for the "it's Putin not the Russians" theory.

State media and extreme censorship. Last I checked, that is done via the controlling government and in this case Putin as well.

[Slant]

State media and extreme censorship. Last I checked, that is done via the controlling government and in this case Putin as well.

And you're ignoring the calls from soldiers home. Russians are responsible for this. End of story.

[Vladier]

Well, Levada was painted by Kremlin as a "western puppet" or w/e.

But here is the thing with Russian polls. An unknown number calls you and asks about your opinion. How will you answer, knowing that opposing Putler and the war means fines or jail time?

I've read the interview with Yuri Levada, in which he explained that this is exactly what happens - people who are wary to even answer are simply uncounted in the poll, they simply drop the call as soon as they are asked to answer some questions. This means that the results are skewed towards people who are willing to answer, who are obviously more likely to tow the party line. Also, from that interview, Levada-center is not going to publish further polls in order to not further legitimize this war.

[Slant]

I've read the interview with Yuri Levada, in which he explained that this is exactly what happens - people who are wary to even answer are simply uncounted in the poll, they simply drop the call as soon as they are asked to answer some questions. This means that the results are skewed towards people who are willing to answer, who are obviously more likely to tow the party line. Also, from that interview, Levada-center is not going to publish further polls in order to not further legitimize this war.

Seems like Russians don't feel enough pain to speak up, yet. Oh well, give it a few weeks and a trashed economy... ask them again in a month.

[DarkAmbient]

And you're ignoring the calls from soldiers home. Russians are responsible for this. End of story.

How many calls we talking here?

[Slant]

How many calls we talking here?

How often would you call your family if you were in a war and saw your battle buddies get blown to bits? That many calls.

[Ripster42]

He said that he believed Ukraine would be forced to make concessions to get peace, and that peace and rebuilding was better for Ukraine than years of fighting.

What's the difference between what you're saying easo said, and what this quote is saying he said?

I mean, when someone's narrative comes down to "Ukraine really needs to surrender, look at all these Russian sources saying how well Russia is doing and how poorly Ukraine is doing.

Those things read the same to me, but you think there's a substantive difference. So what is it? "He said that he believed Ukraine would be forced to make concessions to get peace" is the same thing as "look at all these Russian sources saying how well Russia is doing and how poorly Ukraine is doing." While "peace and rebuilding was better for Ukraine than years of fighting" is the same as "Ukraine really needs to surrender". What's the nuance that I'm missing? "He doesn't like russia, so his stances can't be pro-russia?" That's not the nuance here. The nuance is "despite the fact that he doesn't like russia, his stances are still pro-russia."

Hell, I'm pretty sure he even talked about what Ukraine would need to give up to get peace, but I'd have to check back to make sure I've not misremembered that.

I remember several people doing it, and that while though I'm not sure I could make a statement about them definitively, that is my recollection as well.

[Iphie]

Can we just move away from Easo now? I think everyone has said their opinion on his posts, both against and in defence. He's a big boy, he's not banned, if he really wants to he can post to clear anything up.

Russia-Ukraine war: what we know on day 46 of the invasion

One thing I see on that map that has been clarified, apparently the massgrave in Buzova appears to contain 'only' two civilians and nothing else, still bad but not a massgrave. (according to the latest Dutch news.) It's ironic that after the previous discussion this would be a prime example of being careful with looking at the available data.

[Corvus]

One thing I see on that map that has been clarified, apparently the massgrave in Buzova appears to contain 'only' two civilians and nothing else, still bad but not a massgrave. (according to the latest Dutch news.) It's ironic that after the previous discussion this would be a prime example of being careful with looking at the available data.

So far more than 1200 bodies have been discovered around Kyiv and there are others from Buzova still missing, let alone elsewhere.

[Iphie]

So far more than 1200 bodies have been discovered around Kyiv and there are others from Buzova still missing, let alone elsewhere.

I know, I'm not saying nothing happened, just that the grave found and reported as a massgrave appears to not be that. It's still terrible what happened and I fear we won't know what happened to those who disappeared ever, or at least for a significant part of those.

[Finlandia WOAT]

You do realize he was not pro russian ?

There are a lot of Americans here. He's something the Trump administration murdered and murdered good: the "heh, I read both sides, fools" enlightened centrist.

[DarkAmbient]

How often would you call your family if you were in a war and saw your battle buddies get blown to bits? That many calls.

Unless I'm mistaken, it looks like you're using the phone calls as a counter argument to the notion that the opinions of the Russian populace have been shaped in significant part by decades of propaganda and authoritarian rule. I just don't see why the phone calls are relevant in that context. The propaganda and indoctrination don't absolve Russian soldiers of war crimes of course, and I'm not suggesting Russians have all lost the ability to think for themselves, but surely you must agree that propaganda and indoctrination are at least part of the reason why Putin's popularity is so high there? Or perhaps you feel that that qualification actually isn't important when it comes to what is happening on the ground.

[jonnysensible]

quite staggering how many people russia has kidnapped from ukraine, especially children. Guess they are solving the demographic crisis by raiding neighboring countries and stealing the children. Proper cubs of the caliphate stuff.

[Breccia]

Ground is still bog-like over there. Off road most likely isn't an option still.

Yeah there's a time between "ground is frozen solid" and "ground baked by summer heat" and Putin decided to wage war during its entire length.

[Iphie]

Austrian Chancellor meeting with Putin in Moscow on Monday.

https://www.barrons.com/news/austria...efsec=afp-news

Apparently to promote dialogue. Nehammer is quite inexperienced though.

[qwerty123456]

Seems like Russians don't feel enough pain to speak up, yet. Oh well, give it a few weeks and a trashed economy... ask them again in a month.

How they going to speak up when even saying Ukraine is a separate country gets them fired:
https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...comment-2022-4

[Edge-]

Russia-Ukraine war: what we know on day 46 of the invasion

"The special operation will only last a few days."

[Mihalik]

Nehammer is quite inexperienced though.

GG Google. Well played.

[Cynep]

You do realize he was not pro russian ?

No, but he was pro-surrender. I guess that's why you defend him? ;P

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Putin puts new general in charge, which evidently is Russian for "We admit this is going poorly".

"What about the previous general?"

Oh, that poor son of a...but that's not important right now.

Before this, there was no central command of the invasion, at all. Now everyone reports to Dvornikov, the man in charge of southern front. Makes sense looking at their accomplishments.

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A borderline offtopic piece of info: today there are elections not only in France but also in South Ossetia, Russian-occupied part of Georgia. Incumbent president is expected to win, most opposition candidates had their registration refused.

What is relevant, their president announced to hold a referendum after his victory, in May or June, to join Russia officially like Crimea; at some point later North and South Ossetia are expected to merge. Ossetians are the only local people living on both sides of Great Caucasus mountains.