Russian invasion of Ukraine

[beanman12345]

We have the economy and infrastucture to endure a bit of hardship and rising prices, russia doesn't.

That's what I'm saying. He's seemingly not aware of that reality.

[Makabreska]

So it seems russia is regrouping and planning another large scale offensive from the east, if that fails how likely would it be that Putin started to employ nukes? I heard rumors such sentiment to end the war quickly ala Hiroshima to 'spare lives on both sides in the long run' is being pushed forward on russian 'blogs'

Don't go Yuppie on us mate, one guy preaching nuclear annihilation is enough.

[Azadina]

It's quite sad to me that West cheerfully walks toward destruction of an economic system they painstakingly built in last three decades over moral panic.

But then maybe you could see entire cause of conflict as fight of "morality over reality".

There's nothing cheerful in children being raped, tortured and murdered by Ruslamic state rabid dogs. But then, that's the difference between west and Ruslamic state.

[Santti]

So it seems russia is regrouping and planning another large scale offensive from the east, if that fails how likely would it be that Putin started to employ nukes? I heard rumors such sentiment to end the war quickly ala Hiroshima to 'spare lives on both sides in the long run' is being pushed forward on russian 'blogs'

I seriously doubt rich and powerful people are all that keen on pissing away their life of luxury that easily. Because that's pretty much what would happen, should nukes enter the picture.

[zorkuus]

So it seems russia is regrouping and planning another large scale offensive from the east, if that fails how likely would it be that Putin started to employ nukes? I heard rumors such sentiment to end the war quickly ala Hiroshima to 'spare lives on both sides in the long run' is being pushed forward on russian 'blogs'

If Putler loses this war it's more likely the powers that be around him start employing "change of leadership".

[Shalcker]

This is absolute nonsense. The West was content to sit back and ignore Russia's crimes in Syria and Crimea in return for cheap fossil fuel, it was Russia that decided to see how far it could push its luck by committing genocide on the Ukrainian people. It is Russia and no-one else that has thrown this all away.

It was European choice to disrupt world trade - into which Russia is tightly integrated - and make dependency on their financial system questionable to everyone "to punish Russia".

There were many choices and you've chosen to set entire "global world" you've built in last decades on fire so that Russia gets singed.

And whilst you appear to believe the lies that is being fed to you it will not change the fact that Russia will continue to be isolated from the global financial systems and markets and as a consequence Russia's economy will suffer.

The result will be fragmentation of "global financial systems"; being "isolated" from Western financial markets while EU still has to pump their Euros into Russia to get energy just means Russia will dump those Euros to Asia.

Yes, but it will recover.

So will Russia.

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There's nothing cheerful in children being raped, tortured and murdered by Ruslamic state rabid dogs. But then, that's the difference between west and Ruslamic state.

Where did you see "cheerful" there? Maybe you should stop.

[zorkuus]

He's fully on the "blame NATO" train. Russia is innocent.

Why is that countries being bullied by russia want to join NATO? Such a puzzle...

[Santti]

Why is that countries being bullied by russia want to join NATO? Such a puzzle...

Nobody knows, there are mysteries in this world.

[zorkuus]

Russia is its own worst enemy. It self creates problems it doesn't want. Then it tries to solve those problems by aggressive means which usually ends up in the collapse of their state as they know it.

[Shalcker]

No, it wasn't. It was Russia's choice that caused all of this. Unless you're saying the West should have just gone to war with Russia directly. Which is the only other possible response to your bullshit aggression.

The manner of implementing Western sanctions was purely Western choice; Russia had nothing to do with it.

"We had to set world economy on fire so that we wouldn't have to set world on literal fire with war" isn't great excuse to millions in third world countries that might starve as result.

And in the end that isn't even going to stop Russia in Ukraine.

[zorkuus]

The manner of implementing Western sanctions was purely Western choice; Russia had nothing to do with it..

Does this guy really believe this bullshit?

[Shalcker]

Does this guy really believe this bullshit?

Do you think Russia dictated EU to freeze CBR assets?

Your governments do have their own agency; their choices do have consequences separate from what Russia does.

[zorkuus]

Do you think Russia dictated EU to freeze CBR assets?

Your governments do have their own agency; their choices do have consequences separate from what Russia does.

You're insane if you thought there would be no consequenses for your illegal orc invasion. More orcs will die today btw.

[Vorkreist]

Does this guy really believe this bullshit?

No. Just MMO-C approved trolling .

[zealo]

The manner of implementing Western sanctions was purely Western choice; Russia had nothing to do with it.

"We had to set world economy on fire so that we wouldn't have to set world on literal fire with war" isn't great excuse to millions in third world countries that might starve as result.

And in the end that isn't even going to stop Russia in Ukraine.

The manner of implementing western sanctions were indeed a western choice in what manner to sanction Russia for Russian actions.

That however does not equate to Russia having nothing to do with creating the circumstances which made the western world see fit to sanction Russia to the extent it did. That is something Russia very much carries sole responsibility for, in which Russia deliberately plunged itself into on a massive scale.

Your argument here essentially comes down to "you shouldn't have sanctioned us for our deliberate fascist aggression, just for the sake of the world economy!".

[Breccia]

You're insane if you thought there would be no consequenses for your illegal orc invasion

Yeah he's dancing around semantics at this point. He can't even say "Russia is innocent" he's hiding behind "Russia didn't choose the penalties for being found guilty". Which is a bold admission, to be sure. Did you see he called it a war again yesterday? He could go to jail. Russian jail. For fifteen years!

[Shalcker]

You're insane if you thought there would be no consequenses for your illegal orc invasion. More orcs will die today btw.

You are insane if you think millions dying in third-world countries as consequence of you trying to punish Russia is fair price to pay.

[zorkuus]

You are insane if you think millions dying in third-world countries as consequence of you trying to punish Russia is fair price to pay.

Don't invade other countries. Ever thought of that?

[beanman12345]

Yeah he's dancing around semantics at this point. He can't even say "Russia is innocent" he's hiding behind "Russia didn't choose the penalties for being found guilty". Which is a bold admission, to be sure. Did you see he called it a war again yesterday? He could go to jail. Russian jail. For fifteen years!

Wonder if there is a tip line.

[KrayZ33]

You are insane if you think millions dying in third-world countries as consequence of you trying to punish Russia is fair price to pay.

Them dying is the consequence of Russia invading peaceful countries.
I would point out that you should feel ashamed, but... that feels like it would be a waste of time.