Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Corvus]

The Polish resistance was so large and organised it had its own postal service.

[Mihalik]

The French are usually joked with in Europe when it comes to their WW II surrender. It's no big deal.

If by "Europe" you mean the English, sure. After all...Hiding on their island and waiting for others to do do 90% of the fighting before claiming victory at the end has been a long standing English tradition.

Because throughout Europe the French surrendered to the Germans about as often as everyone else, not to mention that they rampaged their way across Europe a few times themselves. When half of Europe celebrates its "independence day" or equivalent is usually independence from the French or the ending of a French occupation.

But yeah, the French being so half hearted in their support for Ukraine is both a mistake and a national disgrace. Guess it's hard to stand up to a fascist genocidal aggressor when something like 35% of your population wants to vote for one of two genocidal fascists.

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The Polish resistance was so large and organised it had its own postal service.

I think an element that enabled the scale and extent of the Polish resistance was the fact that after the surrender, there was no Polish puppet state, and the "government" organisations put in place by the Nazis was mostly interested in murdering Poles and looting the country, beyond that they would do little in the way of actual administration.

This kinda meant that people had to do it themselves so to say.

In contrast in France or Denmark or Norway the Germans would put in place puppet governments that claimed legitimate legal and administrative continuity, and while they were also looted and forced to collaborate with the Germans economically, the national administrations still continued to run the state, there were fire departments, postal services, police departments, notaries, courts, pensions etc.

[Finlandia WOAT]

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/sta...50592300658690

Ru roh, the Kremlin has found more Nazis in Latvia!

[Mihalik]

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/sta...50592300658690

Ru roh, the Kremlin has found more Nazis in Latvia!

It's becoming clear to me that another thing I was wrong about was that I thought that the Russian high command just lost control of its undisciplined horde which then started war crime rampaging, instead the war crimes, the murders, the executions are ordered from top down. It's their policy. It's the Russian warlords (I refuse to call them generals) just taking out their frustrations on civilians.

What a shit hole of a country.

@Easo where are you? Come tell us again how the Russians aren't barbarians? I'm still pissed at all the bullshit we had to eat from you. Sup? Have you been enlisted and sent to the front?

Russians are not barbarians, but they will be much harsher than American troops in Iraq, for example. Plus you have to understand that like half of Ukraine won't even really care, literally, as long as they are left alone. And since that half is quite a bit Russian...

Remember that?

[Breccia]

It could be months before Russia has rebuilt it's battered mechanised forces to levels to have any impact on Donbas and years to rebuild regiments and brigades.

I hope so. When the troops that aren't dead and haven't deserted return home, they'll tell firsthand stories not even Putin's social media ban will be able to stop. Putin will get fewer happy willing volunteers and get more sad conscripts who probably won't train enthusiastically.

Oh, and tanks don't go very far without a driver and crew.

[Kaleredar]

It's becoming clear to me that another thing I was wrong about was that I thought that the Russian high command just lost control of its undisciplined horde which then started war crime rampaging, instead the war crimes, the murders, the executions are ordered from top down. It's their policy. It's the Russian warlords (I refuse to call them generals) just taking out their frustrations on civilians.

What a shit hole of a country.

@Easo where are you? Come tell us again how the Russians aren't barbarians? I'm still pissed at all the bullshit we had to eat from you. Sup? Have you been enlisted and sent to the front?



Remember that?

Maybe the Russian government decided the online troll brigade whose work is relegated to pushing disinformation in a random WoW forum wasn't worth it so their division has been cut. Or maybe they're just some random schmuck whose expenditures ballooned along with their rapidly deteriorating economy so spending extra money to try unsuccessfully to convince people on a random WoW forum that Russia isn't little more than a poorly-managed rabid dog running around through Ukraine with its balls caught in a vice also wasn't worth it. Or maybe they broke a mental limb, so to speak, trying to formulate the mental gymnastics necessary to justify these outright warcrimes Russia has been perpetrating.


We might all be so lucky were those things the case.

[Mihalik]

Maybe the Russian government decided the online troll brigade whose work is relegated to pushing disinformation in a random WoW forum wasn't worth it so their division has been cut. Or maybe they're just some random schmuck whose expenditures ballooned along with their rapidly deteriorating economy so spending extra money to try unsuccessfully to convince people on a random WoW forum that Russia isn't little more than a poorly-managed rabid dog running around through Ukraine with its balls caught in a vice also wasn't worth it.


We might all be so lucky were those things the case.

It's just the amount of horrible stories from the liberated areas of the mass executions, the rapes, the looting, people being tortured and beaten for days, the gutting of homes, schools, public buildings, the countless people who have been carried off by Russian troops has started to get to me.

I just read about a 20 something woman, a school teacher who was taken away by the Russians as they retreated (take a wild guess how her parents are feeling).

It just boggles the mind. Calling them orcs is insulting to orcs.

Combined with all the stories of Russians literally telling their family members living in Ukraine that they are lying...

Like there was a CNN interview with some college kids, one of whose parents are still in Russia and whose mother disowned him for telling her that the Russians are bombing him. I can't wrap my mind around these people.

[Specialka]

It's becoming clear to me that another thing I was wrong about was that I thought that the Russian high command just lost control of its undisciplined horde which then started war crime rampaging, instead the war crimes, the murders, the executions are ordered from top down. It's their policy. It's the Russian warlords (I refuse to call them generals) just taking out their frustrations on civilians.

What a shit hole of a country.

@Easo where are you? Come tell us again how the Russians aren't barbarians? I'm still pissed at all the bullshit we had to eat from you. Sup? Have you been enlisted and sent to the front?



Remember that?

You do realize he was not pro russian ?

[Xyonai]

It's just the amount of horrible stories from the liberated areas of the mass executions, the rapes, the looting, people being tortured and beaten for days, the gutting of homes, schools, public buildings, the countless people who have been carried off by Russian troops has started to get to me.

I just read about a 20 something woman, a school teacher who was taken away by the Russians as they retreated (take a wild guess how her parents are feeling).

It just boggles the mind. Calling them orcs is insulting to orcs.

Combined with all the stories of Russians literally telling their family members living in Ukraine that they are lying...

Like there was a CNN interview with some college kids, one of whose parents are still in Russia and whose mother disowned him for telling her that the Russians are bombing him. I can't wrap my mind around these people.

It's not the -best- advice, but a break from the Doomscrolling might help a bit. Find something to keep your brain occupied away from the news for a bit to center yourself. I picked up a new game on Steam and have kinda just been mindlessly blowing through that while catching up with Twitch VODs because I realized I was just gluing myself to every news outlet and Subreddit for Invasion Updates and needed to do something else.

And as for the Shills? Fuck 'em. If they never come back the forum will be all the better without willful know-nothings gumming up discourse.

[Milchshake]

You do realize he was not pro russian ?

Nope, but some people chose the worst circumstances to commit to being a "contrarian asshole". Being a cutesy nihilists is a weird online-meta.

It's all fun and games until people are faced with the grotesque consequences.

[Xyonai]

Nope, but some people chose the worst circumstances to commit to being a "contrarian asshole". Being a cutesy nihilists is a weird online-meta.

It's all fun and games until people are faced with the grotesque consequences.

The only fairness I'll give is that both sides in a lot of those exchanges got incredibly hostile incredibly quickly, contentious and heated topic that this is, but I don't think it was helped by the constant Doomerism that were masquerading as 'grounded takes'. Like you (royal you) can have a 'realistic' view of things without being a dick about it, y'know?

[PhaelixWW]

You do realize he was not pro russian ?

They don't care. They just want their punching bag, so their memory recalls only hyperbole, false though that recollection may be.

After all, calling someone "pro-Russian" as a means of argument is much more easily done than actually addressing their points rationally.

[Kaleredar]

You do realize he was not pro russian ?

They don't care. They just want their punching bag, so their memory recalls only hyperbole, false though that recollection may be.

After all, calling someone "pro-Russian" as a means of argument is much more easily done than actually addressing their points rationally.

I mean, when someone's narrative comes down to "Ukraine really needs to surrender, look at all these Russian sources saying how well Russia is doing and how poorly Ukraine is doing. Also, any source pointing out Russia's logistical flaws, weaknesses, or shortcomings? You can't trust those, nobody could possibly know what's going on on the ground in Ukraine and it's probably all just untrustworthy western propaganda. You should trust Russia, the country that lied about invading, has lied about every ceasefire, continues to lie about their reasons for invading, and is actively committing warcrimes, instead."

It's a little difficult to keep thinking they're just a "concerned observer."

[Veggie50]

This thread has devolved from discussion about the war to a discussion about qualifying posters… guess that’s only natural, since there just isn’t that much news at the moment.

[Milchshake]

This thread has devolved from discussion about the war to a discussion about qualifying posters… guess that’s only natural, since there just isn’t that much news at the moment.

There's plenty of news. Every hour the depth of Russia's atrocities becomes more clear. Why are you claiming there's not much news at the moment?

There's this other dumb online meta.... "hey guys, I'm above the fray! lookit me, im cool."

As a famous bard once wrote. Thou dost protest too much.

[Veggie50]

There's plenty of news. Every hour the depth of Russia's atrocities becomes more clear. Why are you claiming there's not much news at the moment?

There's this other dumb online meta.... "hey guys, I'm above the fray! lookit me, im cool."

As a famous bard once wrote. Thou dost protest too much.

Guess im disqualified :’(

[Santti]

There's plenty of news. Every hour the depth of Russia's atrocities becomes more clear. Why are you claiming there's not much news at the moment?

There's this other dumb online meta.... "hey guys, I'm above the fray! lookit me, im cool."

As a famous bard once wrote. Thou dost protest too much.

I think you are being a bit unfair. I mean, it's just fine to say that there is not that much news at the moment, because we all know at this point that the war continues and more atrocities are being uncovered. Sure, it's news, but it's still more of the same. No need to bust his balls for that.

[Specialka]

It's a good joke and this occasion is perfect for using it.

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I guess De Gaulle's "You shall not pass!" line was in the La Manche?

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That is precisely what I was getting at.

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The French are usually joked with in Europe when it comes to their WW II surrender. It's no big deal.

I don't know what the American conservative take on France is, but I'd suppose it is highly positive considering the role the French played as America's ally in their war for independence and beyond.

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The most efficient and significant partisan movements were in SE and Eastern Europe. Yugoslavia and Greece are great examples, especially Yugoslavia. France, in comparison, as a country with a much higher number of people, did comparatively much less. France is rightfully not the first country that comes to people's minds when mentioning resistance/partisan warfare. The French prefered saving their cities and infrastructure instead of liberation, which came their way from the outside anyway.

FYI, the joke surrender comes from Indochine war if I remember well.

[Breccia]

Putin puts new general in charge, which evidently is Russian for "We admit this is going poorly".

"What about the previous general?"

Oh, that poor son of a...but that's not important right now.

Army Gen. Alexander Dvornikov apparently ran the show in Syria, so, he actually has a track record that includes both ugly-ass tactics and also victory, specifically bombing Aleppo and killing a bunch of civilians during a cease-fire. So, good, we've got that to look forward to.

The US and EU officials CNN talked to said Dvornikov is possibly doing what we've previously discussed, trying to get something, anything done by May 9 so Putin can hold a "Mission Aꓘꓘomplished Da" banner. So far, we've seen them back off from places they were failing to conquer more blatantly to concentrate their forces into a single target. A rush job, combined with demoralized and exhausted soldiers (the ones that didn't defect, flee or die, at least) means we're going to see one of three things:
a) a bunch of clumsy, sloppy mistakes
b) frustrated and desperate Russians committing atrocities of basically terrorist level to scare Donbas into surrendering
c) both.

The last thing this unprovoked war needed was for Putin to look at his troops killing civilians and saying "Oh that reminds me, I know a guy really good at that, I'll put him in charge". Also, I don't know much about Dvornikov at all, but I'm guessing he's not the type to lead from the front lines, so Ukrainians won't be able to shoot him.

[Mihalik]

They don't care. They just want their punching bag, so their memory recalls only hyperbole, false though that recollection may be.

After all, calling someone "pro-Russian" as a means of argument is much more easily done than actually addressing their points rationally.

What am I recalling wrong? I linked his own words about the Russians.

Earlier I repeatedly had to relink to him how he was constantly make shit up about what the Russians were doing and having.

Even now in his last posts he was literally suggesting that the Ukrainians in fact planted all those bodies in the liberated villages.

He never ever ever retracted any of his false claims and bullshit both sides suggestions despite being proven wrong over and over and over again.