Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

What do you think that would achieve, besides justifying russias hatred of Nato? You're so naive it hurts.

at this point, are you honestly suggesting Putin still deserves to live?



the whole world besides russia wants him gone

[Shalcker]

Sputnik, lul, yeah I remember that blunder. Yes, almost all, like 3% of all your imports are packaged medicine 80% of those come from Europe. Vaccines and the rest make up another 2% 95% of which come from western countries. That's just one of many examples. If your industry was so great and diverse you wouldn't be importing all of the shit you're currently importing.

You realize we simply don't import what we produce locally?

Russian internal pharmacologic production was 1.6 times higher then imports in 2021.

[Levelfive]

Well, hold on.

Putin made it clear he wanted to deNazify Ukraine. Well, there are no Nazis in Ukraine. So, Mission Aꓘꓘomplished!

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Yes, I'm sure @Mayhem feels so /s foolish that he failed so specify useful medicine. It's like when we say "Russia doesn't have any soldiers" when we mean to say "Russia doesn't have any soldiers that can beat a closed door one-on-one".

They're probably just pretending to be grossly incompetent...as a false flag...to make Russia look bad? At least that is definitely working!

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/st...qvGxdMOGRedecA

https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/...3X7DBH1VeotejQ

[Specialka]

Clearly current unipolar system with trade domination failed to prevent another major war.

What was unexpected is West setting old system on fire rather then accept there can be other hard power centers within it then US.

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Some people do live their entire lives in remote villages and becoming soldier is their chance to break out.

That has nothing to do with Russian statistics though.

You only had link to Reddit; maybe you could try looking at proper sites for info.

Okay, how many French soldiers were persecuted for war crimes?

Clearly we cannot compare Russia to itself - that would be pointless.

Not a lot because our Army are professionnel and have higher standards.

And there is no need for comparison about war crimes, you either prosecute the one responsible or you do not.

And we are not talking only 1 or 2 war crimes here as I can see it, there are tons of responsibles.

[Arrashi]

at this point, are you honestly suggesting Putin still deserves to live?

the whole world besides russia wants him gone

He means that putins is meaningless because its russians that are the issue. They gonna have another putler in no time.

[XDurionX]

at this point, are you honestly suggesting Putin still deserves to live?



the whole world besides russia wants him gone

First of all, you don't speak for "the whole world". Second, democracies don't assassinate elected leaders. Third, this would not stop the war. Fourth, this would even make it worth it because they can say : we told you all along NATO is our enemy and they would be right. This would be an act of war and the escalation into WW3.

I can only repeat, you're embarrassing yourself time and time again with your childish notions and your lack of understanding about anything happening right now. I don't care if i get infracted, this needs to be repeated until you get it.

[YUPPIE]

He means that putins is meaningless because its russians that are the issue. They gonna have another putler in no time.

so.....then what can anyone do to stop this madness?

[Finlandia WOAT]

You realize we simply don't import what we produce locally?

Russian internal pharmacologic production was 1.6 times higher then imports in 2021.

That's still a 40% drop. It also doesn't account for stuff made or produced with non-Russian sourced ingredients and tech (which I'd assume is most). It also doesn't say what that 60% is. If it's mostly cough drops and pepto, while the more complicated stuff is now sanctioned, you're in for a rough time.

Basically throwing a percentage out there is meaningless.

That one didn't even reach 250nm process; Russian Mikron Group still operates and provides military and civilian chips (and was already previously sanctioned).

Russia still imported 60-80 million $$ worth of microchips, a deficit they have no ability to replace. Already there were reports that Russias main tank factory shuttered due to lack of chips.

That's also assuming Mikron didn't use non-Russian sourced ingredients or tech...which I highly doubt.

[Iliena]

There will be no concessions from Russian side.

Russia feels like it has a stronger hand while Westerners are absolutely deluded about Russian capabilities, and it is already setting up as fight until the end for the New World Order.

There might be concessions in case of total defeat, and no sooner.

So in the New World Order Russia will not be much better off than North Korea and this is all part of the plan? You have been told repeatedly nobody who matters on the world stage will want anything to do with you, either because they don't agree with the invasion of Ukraine or risk being sanctioned due to breaking embargoes.

Better get those Fab's up and running! Those microprocessor's are not going to make themselves! or are you planning to go back to using vacuum tubes? That you were still producing and using up until the late 80/90's? I have a couple of sets of Voshkod military grade tubes in my tube amp, which sound great and are generally agreed in audiophile circles to be the best ever made, I will give you that! But in this modern age a tube amp is all they are good for and you have zero capacity to make anything electronic on your own.
Even China who are far more industrious than you have been unable to make there own yet. You have set yourselves back 20-30 years!

Good luck with that!

[Edge-]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2056659.html

Huh, seems Ukraine caught a rat on the run. Viktor Medvedchuk is back in custody after escaping house arrest.

[Vorkreist]

I don't know. Orcs still fit them best. They even build huts of twigs and poo, are confused about tools of the civilization, and have proper goblin cheerleaders like that Shalcker creature.

They fit the Tolkien orcs. They are literally evil degenerate creeps wreaking havoc for the almighty Sauron in Moscow.

[Gaidax]

for those that adamantly believe Putin will not use nukes: Today he quite literally said peace talks are "over" for good and he will *never* stop his war campaign.

This thread degenerated into a complete shit show between this guy and Shalcker.

I'm just sad I can't block OP, because it would hide the thread.

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On Finland - it's a mix of posturing and attempt to somehow gather enough Yuppies of their own to force a backtrack on NATO. Russia clearly is in no shape of opening another front, especially not vs a EU state, which would be a whole different ball game there.

On the recent developments in Donbas, Russia tries to score an achievement for the talks there and it's a realistic goal for them too, because partially it is a "home turf" now thanks to the separatists and it's one concentrated push as opposed to being all over the place.

I don't think, however, they will get much anything until May 9th, Putin wants. Still, it's not like they will wrap all up and fuck off May 10th - Donbas war will last months if not years.

[PhaelixWW]

I don't think, however, they will get much anything until May 9th, Putin wants. Still, it's not like they will wrap all up and fuck off May 10th - Donbas war will last months if not years.

The longer it goes on, the more it favors the defense, typically.

[Shalcker]

That's still a 40% drop.

1) not all of those imports are from EU
2) initial claim was "almost all"

And, again, they aren't even sanctioned, so it's pointless posturing at the moment.

Russia still imported 60-80 million $$ worth of microchips, a deficit they have no ability to replace.

It is long-term process but it is replaceable. Not in a year, obviously.

Meanwhile Korea already got exceptions for consumer electronics.

And US also already excluded communications equipment:
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Communication, internet equipment excluded from US sanctions

The document also authorizes "the exportation or reexportation, sale, or supply, directly or indirectly, from the United States or by U.S. persons, wherever located, to the Russian Federation of services, software, hardware, or technology incident to the exchange of communications over the internet

WASHINGTON, April 8. /TASS/. The US Department of the Treasury made telecommunications equipment and some internet technologies exempt from anti-Russian sanctions imposed by US President Joe Biden, according to a general license published on Thursday.

"All transactions ordinarily incident and necessary to the receipt or transmission of telecommunications involving the Russian Federation that are prohibited by the Russian Harmful Foreign Activities Sanctions Regulations, 31 CFR part 587 (RuHSR), are authorized," the document says.

It also authorizes "the exportation or reexportation, sale, or supply, directly or indirectly, from the United States or by U.S. persons, wherever located, to the Russian Federation of services, software, hardware, or technology incident to the exchange of communications over the internet, such as instant messaging, videoconferencing, chat and email, social networking, sharing of photos, movies, and documents, web browsing, blogging, web hosting, and domain name registration services," which were earlier prohibited by the RuHSR.
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Guess they still want to spy on what happens on Russian side of internet.

Already there were reports that Russias main tank factory shuttered due to lack of chips.

That factory is right outside my town, and it produces whole range of various things.

There were no lack of chips; rail carriage production was temporarily halted due to lack of certified bearings for them (as it was produced in Russia but using some foreign inputs).

That's also assuming Mikron didn't use non-Russian sourced ingredients or tech...which I highly doubt.

They were already sanctioned; even with your version if they managed to evade sanctions previously to keep operating what makes you think they'll fail to evade new ones?

[uuuhname]

He means that putins is meaningless because its russians that are the issue. They gonna have another putler in no time.

huh? you realize Putin was picked to lead Russia by Russia AND the west, right?

I'm really not sure why this behavior of treating Russian civilians like "orcs" isn't an infractable offense, but I guess when a mod straight up says: "make McCarthyism great again" I guess that's to be expected.

[Jastall]

This thread degenerated into a complete shit show between this guy and Shalcker.

I'm just sad I can't block OP, because it would hide the thread.

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On Finland - it's a mix of posturing and attempt to somehow gather enough Yuppies of their own to force a backtrack on NATO. Russia clearly is in no shape of opening another front, especially not vs a EU state, which would be a whole different ball game there.

On the recent developments in Donbas, Russia tries to score an achievement for the talks there and it's a realistic goal for them too, because partially it is a "home turf" now thanks to the separatists and it's one concentrated push as opposed to being all over the place.

I don't think, however, they will get much anything until May 9th, Putin wants. Still, it's not like they will wrap all up and fuck off May 10th - Donbas war will last months if not years.

Uh, didn't know it worked that way. Pretty weird.

As for Finland, if they decide to set course for NATO membership it's clear that Russia can't stop them. Any amount of posturing will mean little when the... ahem... competence of their standing forces is there for all to see in Ukraine. That said IIRC the NATO acceptance process isn't a wekk long, it takes months at least last I checked. Better to get it started sooner rather than later of course but still.

If NATO is expanded this way, Russia better hope that they capture Ukraine resources and all with as much of the infrastructure intact as is possible. They could only possibly recoup their military and economical loss by claiming their target wholesale which seems extremely unlikely now. And the objective of pushing NATO back will have completely failed no matter what they do now.

[Gaidax]

The longer it goes on, the more it favors the defense, typically.

War in Donbas lasted 8 years already on and off, I don't see why it won't last another 8 years in same fashion.

The only thing to stop it will be Putin getting bumped off, which may happen in 2-3 years, but will also need the successor to do miracle 180 degrees reversal in approach to this.

[Finlandia WOAT]

It is long-term process but it is replaceable. Not in a year, obviously.?

It's not replaceable for a long time, as in decades if at all. Mikron's products are 20 years out of date. Russia depended on the West for the latest chips and semiconductors, you're talking decades to replace what they were importing. If it's even possible.

This is a significantly bigger problem for Russia's economy than the EU trying to replace LNG.

Re: the pharmaceuticals, sure 40% import is not almost all (although 40% import plus everything made in Russia with non-Russian sourced equipment probably is), I'm just making the point that throwing import statistics around is meaningless if you don't look at what is being imported and what is made domestically using imported technology.

[Kaleredar]

Uh, didn't know it worked that way. Pretty weird.

As for Finland, if they decide to set course for NATO membership it's clear that Russia can't stop them. Any amount of posturing will mean little when the... ahem... competence of their standing forces is there for all to see in Ukraine. That said IIRC the NATO acceptance process isn't a wekk long, it takes months at least last I checked. Better to get it started sooner rather than later of course but still.

If NATO is expanded this way, Russia better hope that they capture Ukraine resources and all with as much of the infrastructure intact as is possible. They could only possibly recoup their military and economical loss by claiming their target wholesale which seems extremely unlikely now. And the objective of pushing NATO back will have completely failed no matter what they do now.

Occupying Ukraine would furthermore be a massive economic sink.

I don’t know if Russians believe that Ukrainians will worship them as saviors and the moment a surrender were to happen everything would settle peacefully, but I think the mass graves and gross and flagrant murder of civilians during their invasion will likely have bred a deep and violent resentment in Ukraine against the Russians, let alone any occupation.

[Shalcker]

It's not replaceable for a long time, as in decades if at all. Mikron's products are 20 years out of date. Russia depended on the West for the latest chips and semiconductors, you're talking decades to replace what they were importing. If it's even possible.

A lot of modern "secrets" can be stolen - either through internet or physically.

Russia has Russian chip designs - it only lacks low-nm local production.

This is a significantly bigger problem for Russia's economy than the EU trying to replace LNG.

Try to explain which parts do you think will be most impacted to see how big of a problem it would be compared to 10 trillion investment needed by EU.

...and, well, Taiwan problem can be eventually solved by Chinese takeover.