Russian invasion of Ukraine

[zorkuus]

A milestone was passed the other day - Russia is confirmed to have 'donated' over 1000 vehicles to Ukraine. And they are only a couple of days from having confirmed lost 500 tanks.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html

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The deputy mayor of Dnipro is saying they have more than 1500 dead Russian soldiers in their morgues going unclaimed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/XSovietNe...qHPqy-RcA&s=09

Of course Russia is going to refuse to claim them - that way they don't have to pay the families.

They don't want them because they'd have to burn the evid... bodies. That takes time and effort.

[Logwyn]

Gee, guys, it's not like I wrote...

...specifically to address that.

But they're only supposed to have a ground- or ship-launched range of up to ~85 miles. That doesn't exactly cover a whole lot of territory in the Black Sea, though. That doesn't seem like it can effectively break the blockade, but I could very well be wrong about that as I don't really know modern sea warfare.

The air-launched harpoons get a bit more range, and obviously the fighters themselves can make up whatever difference is necessary.

That's a little less than 85 miles out. Could hit something from the coast.

[PhaelixWW]

That's a little less than 85 miles out. Could hit something from the coast.

Yeah, but they only control this amount of coastline, which allows for maximum range out to about here.




It certainly can't reach out towards Russian ships coming into and out of Sevastopol, and it would still seem to me like Russia could perform a blockade outside that radius if they needed to (unless ships can run close enough to the Romanian coast to avoid Russian interception).

Of course, I have no idea if that's feasible, since as I said, I don't know that much about modern naval strategy.

[Rasulis]

Indian Oil removes Russian Ural crude from its latest tender.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/...rce=reddit.com

That is strange. Russia sells Ural crude to India at $30 - $35 discount. Which comes out to be around $58 - $63 per barrel. That's pretty cheap.

[Corvus]

That is strange. Russia sells Ural crude to India at $30 - $35 discount. Which comes out to be around $58 - $63 per barrel. That's pretty cheap.

The explanation was that they were after sweet crude, which can't be got through the Urals. Too much sulphur in Russian crude.

[YUPPIE]

the way Zelenksy is constantly shilling (or praising for nice terms) Biden as all-around good and one of the most supportive and important of his allies makes me wonder what he would say about Trump if it were him instead right now

[zorkuus]

the way Zelenksy is constantly shilling (or praising for nice terms) Biden as all-around good and one of the most supportive and important of his allies makes me wonder what he would say about Trump if it were him instead right now

That's an easy one. tRump wouldn't be doing shit to help Ukraine. There you go. Draw your conclusions from that.

[postman1782]

the way Zelenksy is constantly shilling (or praising for nice terms) Biden as all-around good and one of the most supportive and important of his allies makes me wonder what he would say about Trump if it were him instead right now

Considering the shit that Trump pushed to be Putin's bitch, Trump would be helping the invasion, not stopping it.

[Thekri]

the way Zelenksy is constantly shilling (or praising for nice terms) Biden as all-around good and one of the most supportive and important of his allies makes me wonder what he would say about Trump if it were him instead right now

He would be saying whatever he felt was necessary to get the support he needed to help Ukraine. That is an obvious one. If that meant saying that Trump had huge hands, and was the most manliest person he had ever met, then he might need to vomit afterwards, but he would do what he needed too.

Zelensky is trying to save his nation from annihilation. He doesn't care about Trump or Biden, he cares about saving Ukrainians and killing Russians. Biden is much more supportive of those efforts then Trump was.

[Edge-]

the way Zelenksy is constantly shilling (or praising for nice terms) Biden as all-around good and one of the most supportive and important of his allies makes me wonder what he would say about Trump if it were him instead right now

Yo, didn't that guy try to shake Zelensky down for some made-up dirt on a political foe by holding hundreds of million in Congressionally approved and mandated funds for lethal aid hostage?

Can anyone refresh my memory on this?

[PhaelixWW]

That's an easy one. tRump wouldn't be doing shit to help Ukraine. There you go. Draw your conclusions from that.

One wonders if Zelensky would even be alive if Trump were still president. If the US under Trump had left NATO, had resisted sanctions, had resisted sending aid to Ukraine, how many other countries would have held back some, as well?

Or perhaps I'm just being the typical American, inflating the amount of influence that the US has on international events, who knows.

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Yo, didn't that guy try to shake Zelensky down for some made-up dirt on a political foe by holding hundreds of million in Congressionally approved and mandated funds for lethal aid hostage?

Can anyone refresh my memory on this?

Yeah, I'm guessing Zelensky is especially glad now that Biden won that election.

[Corvus]

Russia's satellite network is old, out of date, small and falling apart - and can't be replaced due to a ban on crucial western made parts.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-satel.../31797618.html

[YUPPIE]

I just find it hard to be too overenthusiastic over Ukraine's triumphs over Russia, to be honest. They are winning, yes, not without severe losses in innocent human life, but still winning greatly.

But Zelenksy has recently spoken of a narrative where he believes when he *fully* wins, he will sit right up to Putin's face, tell him he lost, and own up to *everything.*

Considering the kind of egomaniacal, mass-murdering psychopath Putin is, the kind of man who refuses to concede defeat no matter what ala Hitler, I just don't see that scenario ever coming to pass.

I see a more grim outcome of Russian forces being decimated and fleeing Ukraine, Putin with his back against the wall with no one meaningful left to fight for him. Faced with the dilemma of surrendering and at least living with the utter humiliation in every respect...he will have one option left to make (in his own words) Western "bastards" pay.

[draynay]

You don't "surrender" when an invasion fails, you just stop invading.

[YUPPIE]

You don't "surrender" when an invasion fails, you just stop invading.

he said he'll never stop.

"Putin Vows to Wage War Until Russia Claims Victory as Peace Talks Collapse."

[PhaelixWW]

You don't "surrender" when an invasion fails, you just stop invading.

Yeah, Zelensky's not realistically going to step a foot into Russian territory. If Russian forces are pushed out of Ukraine, Zelensky will stop at the border, thumb his nose at them, and just let them run.

Ukraine invading Russia would go spectacularly worse than Russia invading Ukraine.

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he said he'll never stop.

"Putin Vows to Wage War Until Russia Claims Victory as Peace Talks Collapse."

And Putin always tells the truth, do you think?

Wow, that's a take.

I mean, what else do you expect him to say here? "Well, if they fight back hard enough, I guess we'll just leave."

[YUPPIE]

And Putin always tells the truth, do you think?

The difference here specifically is Putin hasn't just staked his ego on this mad war, he's staked his life on it and winning. He can't walk out of this anything short of a complete victory or he's personally screwed due to the loss of human life and all the other shit amounting up to absolutely nothing. It's going to not only make him look like a weak pathetic fool, but incite insurrection against him.

[Breccia]

Yeah, Zelensky's not realistically going to step a foot into Russian territory.

They seem to have some success running up to the border and chucking stuff over. By my count, 2 ammo dumps, a fuel depot and a bridge.

[YUPPIE]

I never mentioned Zelenksy going to Russia and meeting Putin there. I just meant he envisioned meeting him, in general, only after he has completely lost. And I have to wonder how he pictures this happening unless he's just boasting.

[PhaelixWW]

The difference here specifically is Putin hasn't just staked his ego on this mad war, he's staked his life on it and winning.

No... no he hasn't. His life is not on the line. That's just your tendency to hyperbolize everything.

He can't walk out of this anything short of a complete victory or he's personally screwed due to the loss of human life and all the other shit amounting up to absolutely nothing.

Yes... yes he can. He can walk out of this without a complete victory and not be "personally screwed". That's just your tendency to hyperbolize everything.

It's going to not only make him look like a weak pathetic fool, but incite insurrection against him.

No... no it's won't. It's not going to incite insurrection against him. That's just your tendency to hyperbolize everything.

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They seem to have some success running up to the border and chucking stuff over. By my count, 2 ammo dumps, a fuel depot and a bridge.

Meh, lobbing rockets and missiles, even a helicopter raid or two... those aren't boots on the ground. That's a border strike, not an invasion.

See: Iran, Iraq, Israel, Gaza...