Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Shalcker]

The reserveres were at an historic low. What are you talking about.
In January, they are usually at about 70+%
This year, they were at 30-40%.

Across the board, not just for GazProm facilities. Because other holders were spooked by 2020 where they pumped a lot of gas into storage on 2019 scare with Ukraine and then had to dump it at record-low prices after Covid hit and gas usage dropped due to industry slump; they couldn't hold on to it indefinitely waiting for price to rise again.

They say that the reserves Gazprom are responsible for were only filled by less than 10%... end of January, it was less than 6%.

That only means that gas from them was sold. Likely because it had better price to offer then other storage facilities storing gas from non-Gazprom sources.

You seem to fail to realize that this isn't about contracts, Europe wanted to buy more, which Gazprom has "but couldn't sell because they needed it themselves, lul".
Gazprom could sell, but they didn't, they could've made big bucks, but they didn't. Why?

If Europe wanted more they needed to sign contract for it, not just ask for more gas to arrive on their whim "because we want lower prices". GazProm said multiple times that they want long-term contracts, not spot sales - and stuck to their word. GazProm needed certainty in how much gas will be consumed to plan future expansion, and was getting enough money from contracts as is - and was already planning record breaking dividends this year.

I'm saying they did this on purpose, just as they did empty the reserves they are in control of on purpose

Omg, company selling gas sells their gas rather then hold it in storage while prices are at record-highs! What treachery!

...i hope you do remember that GazProm still supplied gas all those months. Where do you think that gas went? Vented right into atmosphere? Or maybe it got consumed somewhere in EU?

This has nothing to do with Covid or some other nonsense you come up with.

I listed factors that went into price increase and higher-then-usual summer drawdown on gas supplies - most of which had nothing to do with GazProm.

So don't give me that crap. We have pipelines for transit, but they stopped using them (even though there were enough requests for additional gas)

Show me companies requesting additional non-spot gas from GazProm and being denied.

How would North Stream 2 even help if they don't have gas to provide?!

You know that NS2 is just transport? That gas within always originated from Russia?

[zorkuus]

Aptly describes every single conflict Russia has ever been the aggressor in. I'd laugh if it wasn't so tragic.

it's a very primitive nation where the value of human life is basically zero. That goes for their own people too.

Earlier the russian troll was bragging how some of their households have running water.

[KrayZ33]

Omg, company selling gas sells their gas rather then hold it in storage while prices are at record-highs! What treachery!
Show me companies requesting additional non-spot gas from GazProm and being denied.

How come Gazprom sells gas but also seems to not sell gas?

You know that NS2 is just transport? That gas within always originated from Russia?

Yes? It's just transport... that's exactly what I said.
The current transport systems weren't even fully used, so how would NS2 help as Putin has said? We would still have the same contracts in terms of quantity.
They didn't sell gas because they wanted the new pipeline. That's the whole point.

And it's funny that you think Gazprom is a "company". It's basically the Russian state in disguise.
So whatever Gazprom decides to do, is always directly connected to Russia.

Why do you even think someone would make a "take or pay" contract with Gazprom when Russia, which owns it basically, starts a genocide at their border and constantly trying to undermine them?
You want long term contracts? Why do you do *this* shit then?
They say one thing, but obviously they want something completely different.
Please, don't make me laugh (or cry). Would you make long term contracts with Hitler? No? Okay - thank you very much.

[Shalcker]

How come Gazprom sells gas but also seems to not sell gas?

I got no idea what you mean.

GazProm sells gas on contract. You request gas within contract range, you pay for it on pre-agreed price formula, you get it delivered. That's all.

If you need more gas then your contract allows you get new contract or ask to expand old one, simple as that. Several countries signed new contracts and were quite happy about it, or asked for expansion like most recently Hungary.

Hungary also got new 15-year contract in September 2021, likely without or at least with a lot lower spot component, so they might be reaping immense economic benefits right now (and that also explains their reluctance in Ukrainian actions like blocking NATO help from their territory).

Yes? It's just transport... that's exactly what I said.
The current transport systems weren't even fully used, so how would NS2 help as Putin has said? We would still have the same contracts in terms of quantity.
They didn't sell gas because they wanted the new pipeline. That's the whole point.

I actually said that. Did you read me? Yes, dropping spot sales was leverage to get NS2 approved. But contract sales never stopped.

Why wouldn't company use their leverage to finally start profiting from 10 billion multi-year project? GazProm isn't charity.

You could always expand those contracts as in Hungary example above; you had chosen not to. That's on you, not on GazProm.

[Levelfive]

Maybe I should.

But then again, I'll just get a faceful of "they aren't technically breaking the forum rules" and that's just too damn depressing.

According to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, "Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. These acts fall into five categories:

1) Killing members of the group
2) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
3) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
4) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
5) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group"

https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-preve...at-is-genocide

Propping up and propagandizing for an escalating, genocidal regime should be against the forum rules, so they should probably revisit the rules.

[zorkuus]

How the fuck did this get infracted when the bullshit from Shalcker is allowed?

Mods love genocide and rape.

[Saradain]

Well, once more we can discuss things without plain aggravating lies. On a more personal note, I am in Poland at the moment and I see many ukrainians here. They are being accommodated very nicely and even TV channels here seem to include ukrainian subtitles for most things. Apparently Ukraine did something very bad to polish people in the past yet they have put the past aside and co-exist very peacefully with respect to each other.

If only one could say the same about Russia...Polish news are not strangers to displaying actual corpses on TV and it really puts some perspective on what is happening. And Poland in general seems to have investigated the plane crash in... 2010? With their former president and other important people on board - finding no evidence of plane malfunction. Seemed to be bombs on plane, russian trademark of adding insult to injury - murdering polish leadership en route to memorial of...russian genocide against the polish people.

/facepalm

[Arrashi]

Well, once more we can discuss things without plain aggravating lies. On a more personal note, I am in Poland at the moment and I see many ukrainians here. They are being accommodated very nicely and even TV channels here seem to include ukrainian subtitles for most things. Apparently Ukraine did something very bad to polish people in the past yet they have put the past aside and co-exist very peacefully with respect to each other.

If only one could say the same about Russia...Polish news are not strangers to displaying actual corpses on TV and it really puts some perspective on what is happening. And Poland in general seems to have investigated the plane crash in... 2010? With their former president and other important people on board - finding no evidence of plane malfunction. Seemed to be bombs on plane, russian trademark of adding insult to injury - murdering polish leadership en route to memorial of...russian genocide against the polish people.

/facepalm

Ok so thats a complete BS. Let me tell you what actually happened here. Our current gov is wiping their assholes with that catastrophe for 12 years now. And spreading conspiracy theories about how it was russian/jewish/reptilian/german/globohomo (cross the groups that arent current public enemy) strike. In reality there were no bomb nor malfuntion....because *someone* ordered them to land. In the motherfucking MIST! And now they just use that tragedy to manipulate masses and pander to our classic hatred of russians for political benefits creating what is by many considered cult of martyrology.

To put it simply there is alot of bad blood betwen Poland and ruskies but that shit aint one of it.

[Milchshake]

Russia’s Federation Council is passing a law banning comparisons between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

Our law making it illegal to compare us to Nazi Germany is raising a lot of questions ... already answered by our law.

Ask us about our follow up laws! /s

[Forogil]

Russia’s Federation Council is passing a law banning comparisons between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

So it means that anyone claiming that Soviet Union was totally different from Nazi Germany will be jailed, right?

/s

[Milchshake]

So it means that anyone claiming that Soviet Union was totally different from Nazi Germany will be jailed, right?

/s

Comparisons of this kind are already illegal in Russia but the new bill approved by the Federation Council today will tighten this significantly. The debate was between Alexei Pushkov, who acknowledged symbolic elements, and Nikolay Ryzhov, who wants something much more stringent

[YUPPIE]

Hey speaking of human trafficking, which the Russians are already doing with most of the women and children they abducted from Ukraine, isn't it also a war crime to indoctrinate a quarter of those children into pro Russian rhetoric? This is straight up Nazi shit (SFW)

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com...ly_taught_the/

[Saradain]

Ok so thats a complete BS. Let me tell you what actually happened here. Our current gov is wiping their assholes with that catastrophe for 12 years now. And spreading conspiracy theories about how it was russian/jewish/reptilian/german/globohomo (cross the groups that arent current public enemy) strike. In reality there were no bomb nor malfuntion....because *someone* ordered them to land. In the motherfucking MIST! And now they just use that tragedy to manipulate masses and pander to our classic hatred of russians for political benefits creating what is by many considered cult of martyrology.

To put it simply there is alot of bad blood betwen Poland and ruskies but that shit aint one of it.

Alright then, just talking about what I read on news on both sides of mine, Finland and Poland. I'll leave the investigation and stuff for the professionals!

[YUPPIE]

Apparently, Sweden has officially applied NATO membership set for June or July.

Putin is absolutely losing his mind with rage, threatening them to unprecedented levels. What’s he going to do when it officially goes through or just before?

[Saradain]

Apparently, Sweden has officially applied NATO membership set for June or July.

Putin is absolutely losing his mind with rage, threatening them to unprecedented levels. What’s he going to do when it officially goes through or just before?

Nothing because his precious orc army is busy in Ukraine, especially if they want to hold that parade in Mariupol on 9th of May...All "he" can do is the same old ddos attacks on finnish and swedish servers that were still not even close enough to cripple anything or affect the actual military functionality.

And if we speak of Sweden purely, finnish news website already discussed the option. Sweden simply is too far for Russia to be able to do anything. No element of surprise given few hundred kilometer narrow route for air forces, they would be detected so, so early...And Russia risking going past Finland with massive army in this imaginary scenario - Finland could simply join the fight via pincer attack and poof, dead orcs.

[Afrospinach]

Good luck overcoming that. China is committed to investing 1.4 trillion dollar into their domestic semiconductor industry between 2020 and 2025, and they are currently still mostly producing 90-nm wafers for which they needed US made parts. The so-called low-nm wafer production is exclusive to Taiwan, South Korea and US. Military grade Gallium-based chip manufacturing is strictly the domain of Taiwan and US.

You are going to have to double check me on this one but as far as the actual technology goes it is even more exclusive than you describe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASML_Holding

Not friends with this company - you are nobody.

[Azadina]

Ok so thats a complete BS. Let me tell you what actually happened here. Our current gov is wiping their assholes with that catastrophe for 12 years now. And spreading conspiracy theories about how it was russian/jewish/reptilian/german/globohomo (cross the groups that arent current public enemy) strike. In reality there were no bomb nor malfuntion....because *someone* ordered them to land. In the motherfucking MIST! And now they just use that tragedy to manipulate masses and pander to our classic hatred of russians for political benefits creating what is by many considered cult of martyrology.

To put it simply there is alot of bad blood betwen Poland and ruskies but that shit aint one of it.

Considering that's exactly the line Shalcker pushed, it has to be a complete lie, and the truth being what he tried to deny it to be.

[YUPPIE]

Nothing

considering actions before joining NATO and being a part of the defensive pact, what happens if Russia launches a tactical nuke into the ocean as a step up in threats like how North Korea has done with ballistic missiles? Being less outlandish about this and not suggesting they'll throw one right on top of them firsthand, but just into the sea and saying "DON'T JOIN OR THIS IS GOING TO BE ON YOU NEXT"

[Makabreska]

Welp, it's blame game time! 150 officials from Federal Security Service (previously known as KGB and full of Putler buddies of old) got sacked, and two high ranking dudes got put under arrest.

[Poopymonster]

WHAT IF RUSSIA NUKES THE OCEAN?

They....nuke..the ocean? Killing the food supplies and devastating the ecological system for a multitude of creatures creating mass die offs in the short term, and long term iridiating an ocean with consequences that will carry on for generations?

Not to mention their own water supplies, food from the ocean just got fuckered up too.