Russian invasion of Ukraine

[PC2]

He'll whine about NATO expansion on his Telegram channel.

Which is strange because expansion isn't even a bad thing when it is consensual and desired by both parties.

[Breccia]

Biden announces $800 million more aid to Ukraine.

[ghotihook]

Biden announces $800 million more aid to Ukraine.

I have always been a "dont spend my tax money on wars", but to me this is different. I am fine with this.

[Edge-]

I have always been a "dont spend my tax money on wars", but to me this is different. I am fine with this.

This isn't "money on wars", but foreign aid that happens to be going to a country at war, who may very well be a key strategic ally on the other end of this.

Not directed at you, but it's lame how most Americans don't understand the point of foreign aid or the direct and indirect returns it brings to US interests.

[Slirith]

Uh, hard no on that. Sovereign nations are sovereign. And Russia needs to be able to defend itself just like Ukraine has a right to self-defense.

Well, Russia can make the RSDF like Japan made the JSDF

[Vladier]

Which is strange because expansion isn't even a bad thing when it is consensual and desired by both parties.

How is it strange when those parties don't exist in the void, and one of them has a jealous abusive ex?

[Finlandia WOAT]

Chips (produced in Taiwan) have already been tested, so integration is already solved.

Which "supply chain"? Producing high-purity silicon is a matter of priorities. Methods -> look into patent database/buy Western/Asian engineers then ignore intellectual property laws.

The only problem you answered was the raw materials for microchips themselves (not the machines to build them), and on that end all you answered was "silicon", the easiest part to obtain.

Here's another problem: Russia's economy isn't built to produce advanced technological goods, it's built to enrich the oligarchs. That's why factories for outdated planes and tanks haven't been shuttered. You can't build advanced chips when all the tech used is made by people who embezzle half the funds and deliver shoddy products. Crap lithography machine, crap air filtration system to prevent contamination, crap doping machine- yes, I bet the Russians will even embezzle the doping machines!

And Even if they could do it- they're still decades away from reaching current in house production needs.

It's clear- Russia can't produce anything advanced on their own. They're entirely dependent on the West for advanced electronics.

I expect no problem "creating altogether"; "upping capacity" and/or inconsistent quality is where Russian problems generally lie.

Yeah, just like you expected there'd be no problem taking Kyiv.

[YUPPIE]

Zelenksy better not betray or waver in his allegiances to America after all this support. If he lives through this conflict and Ukraine is intact, Ukraine should be pushed as close as possible to the US's sphere of influence.

[ghotihook]

This isn't "money on wars", but foreign aid that happens to be going to a country at war, who may very well be a key strategic ally on the other end of this.

Not directed at you, but it's lame how most Americans don't understand the point of foreign aid or the direct and indirect returns it brings to US interests.

Yea, you're right. I guess it's really no different than sending stuff to a disaster area. It's just different equipment.

[Ripster42]

How is it strange when those parties don't exist in the void, and one of them has a jealous abusive ex?

The bad thing in that situation wouldn't be calling the cops (expansion), it'd be the jealous abusive ex (russia).

[Finlandia WOAT]

Apparently the French aid has been pitiful.

Now granted, it could be because the Ukrainians need outdated tech that their soldiers know how to work- but surely rhe French and Germans could give small arms, newer stuff than AKs, grenades, helmets, medical supplies, MRE''s, even artillery.

Don't they realize what's at stake? If Russia takes Ukraine, the Kremlin will have control over the majority of the grain used to feed North Africa/the Middle East...whenever they feel like it they could trigger a famine that would in turn trigger another refugee crisis. Fight for your own political hides if not for the right of Ukrainians to live in the west.

[YUPPIE]

No, they shouldn't. He should be grateful, as he should be to literally every other country after their support. But he shouldn't be expected to just "not betray or waver" if America does some shady shit in the future. What if he goes against what you're saying here, you want America to do a Russia to teach him a lesson?

knowing what America does to maintain its hold as the superpower of the world, I really doubt America is *only* supporting Ukraine for altruistic reasons, especially considering the longstanding enmity America has for Russia. I'm guessing behind closed doors there's a lot more to this in a "pact" way we wouldn't hear of, of course, but I think swearing fealty is one of them.

[Vladier]

The bad thing in that situation wouldn't be calling the cops (expansion), it'd be the jealous abusive ex (russia).

Can "calling the cops" even be called "consensual and desired by both parties"? Because I think you're muddling the metaphor that Primary Color inadvertently introduced.

No, they shouldn't. He should be grateful, as he should be to literally every other country after their support. But he shouldn't be expected to just "not betray or waver" if America does some shady shit in the future. What if he goes against what you're saying here, you want America to do a Russia to teach him a lesson?

It's YUPPIE, do you even need to ask to know the answer?

[YUPPIE]

Doesn't answer what I asked.

America is supporting Ukraine in a way that's incomparable to other countries and powers. It's not halfassed or bare minimum, it's the kind of expensive support where there has to be something in it for the sender after all is said and done.

[DarkTZeratul]

it's the kind of expensive support where there has to be something in it for the sender after all is said and done.

That something is called hurting Russia.

[Grimbold21]

So now the Ukrainian army is forming a "Freedom for Russia" brigade made up of russian defectors? Is this confirmed to be true?

[zealo]

Can I get some consistency, please?

Broken clock being able to be right twice a day.

Yuppie is a troll, but stating the real world isn't a video game is the only appropriate response to an attempt at a retort as daft as to ask why Putin doesn't invade the US directly.

[PfeffermintShake]

Biden announces $800 million more aid to Ukraine.

NEW: Per US official, on Biden's call with Zelenskyy, Z asked for the helicopters to be added into the military aid package. POTUS agreed to the request.
The helos were initially part of the package. But Kyiv said to take them out because they wanted to inspect them to ensure they'd be useful for their purposes.

But on the call Z said he wanted them, so the helos were put back in.

[jonnysensible]

So now the Ukrainian army is forming a "Freedom for Russia" brigade made up of russian defectors? Is this confirmed to be true?

yea they even have a patch https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/sta...008513/photo/2

[Edge-]

yea they even have a patch https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/sta...008513/photo/2

Yo, they'd better watch out from lawsuits from Riot! That fist looks pretty familiar : P