1. #16821
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    You are destroying world economy, not Russian. Russian economy will survive just fine.

    We actually can handle it - you can see it on rouble exchange rate graph; but many countries in the world are a lot more vulnerable as result of your actions.
    The USSR said this during the cold war. Tell where the USSR is at anymore? The US might be having problems but it is still around.

    EDIT: Thing about currencies that unless someone else wants it, it is worthless. How many countries actually want the rouble vs the dollar/british pound/etc.

  2. #16822
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Russia creates problem - blames it on others - russia collapses- russia rebuilds - repeat the cycle
    I'm sure Europe will also rebuild after collapse. US will love another Marshall plan and to sell their overpriced LNG in place of Russian gas.

    It's still sad to watch it stumble toward collapse as result of their own actions though.

  3. #16823
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    I'm sure Europe will also rebuild after collapse. US will love another Marshall plan and to sell their overpriced LNG in place of Russian gas.

    It's still sad to watch it stumble toward collapse as result of their own actions though.
    No one will be collapsing except russia. Keep taking that copium. Put it on your turnips.
    Your country will be an isolated dirt poor crapper for the next few decades. This is the price to pay. Maybe it will be a time for introspection in russia (I doubt it).
    Last edited by zorkuus; 2022-04-12 at 01:49 PM.

  4. #16824
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Strengthening rouble and dropping rates paints different picture.

    When do you think Biden's promised 200 roubles per dollar will come true?
    "Strengthening" in that it might go back to pre war levels. I don't remember Biden ever saying that, but that sounds like it will happen with each new sanction. Your pay may just allow you to ride the bus again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    In such world NATO could also retreat and drop "everyone is free to choose their alliances" pretense to prevent war from happening.
    You mean like countries CHOOSING to join NATO and therefore CHOOSE their ALLIANCE? Like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    I'm sure Europe will also rebuild after collapse. US will love another Marshall plan and to sell their overpriced LNG in place of Russian gas.

    It's still sad to watch it stumble toward collapse as result of their own actions though.
    You're trying too hard, dial back the coping a little will you?

  6. #16826
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    It was European choice to disrupt world trade - into which Russia is tightly integrated - and make dependency on their financial system questionable to everyone "to punish Russia".

    There were many choices and you've chosen to set entire "global world" you've built in last decades on fire so that Russia gets singed.
    Even by your standards that is thoroughly dishonest. It was Russia's choice to disrupt world trade by invading a sovereign nation, the fact that Russia underestimated the response and hoped that Europe would sit back and do nothing, as they had with Russia's previous transgressions, is down to Russia and no other nation.

    The best choice would have been for Russia to stay at home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    The result will be fragmentation of "global financial systems"; being "isolated" from Western financial markets while EU still has to pump their Euros into Russia to get energy just means Russia will dump those Euros to Asia.
    Utter nonsense. The EU will continue to pour Euros into Russia for oil and gas for the time being but this will come to end and will come to more premature end now that Russia has decided to commit war crimes on a sovereign nation. Whilst European leaders may be squeamish about rising energy costs, the more reports and images of the atrocities carried out by Russia come out of Ukraine the more pressure they come under from their electorates to cast you adrift.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    So will Russia.
    How? Most of the Russian population doesn't have a pot to piss in. The Russian economy is heavily reliant on energy that the majority of the world is moving away from and due to Russian actions the rest of the world doesn't really want to have anything to do with them.

    But let's be honest, any recovery - if it happens - will only find its way into the pockets of a few powerful individuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Russian energy prices aren't on fire; European are.

    Already at 44% yearly inflation in energy sector for March? Unprecedented and growing trade deficit? German retailers rising prices 20-50% overnight?

    "Nothing to see there, everything is perfectly fine, things are only going bad in Russia"

    Again pathetic attempts to paint false narratives because that is your favorite past time between cheering for rape and murder of children.
    Reality is that EU goes from rich to slightly less rich while Russia goes from gdp per capita smaller than Romania before the war to slightly better standards of living than North Korea in long term.

  8. #16828
    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwielder View Post
    This will not end with this war. It's just the pilot episode for what we'll see all around Russia's periphery for the next 15-20 years.
    So they'll try and invade a 7-11 and take 4 months to do it because people keep stealing their tanks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    So they'll try and invade a 7-11 and take 4 months to do it because people keep stealing their tanks?
    They'll make 7-11 the 6th largest military in the world in the process too

  10. #16830
    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    They'll make 7-11 the 6th largest military in the world in the process too
    If Pepsi, or some other company, could own that kind of shit then so can 7-11. Turn an anti-air missile into a Slurpee dispenser.

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  11. #16831
    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwielder View Post
    This will not end with this war. It's just the pilot episode for what we'll see all around Russia's periphery for the next 15-20 years.
    Russia will meet a wall. More nations will join NATO and... oops there aren't many left anyway. Eventually they''ll be faced with the question: do we want to attack a NATO country? Because there'll be no others left at their borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Very much this and why moderation on this site is an absolute joke. Watch irony go full circle and I get banned for this post for 'discussing moderation ' since that's obv higher priority for mods than active and harmful disinformation spreaders.

    Grow a dam backbone

    Yeah I notice they are always ready to infract when calling these trolls names but their genocide denial and mockery of the victims is within "TOS"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorkreist View Post
    Yeah I notice they are always ready to infract when calling these trolls names but their genocide denial and mockery of the victims is within "TOS"
    Let's be honest there, Shillker (and other Russian lovers) keeps getting banned all the time.
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  14. #16834
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    It's still sad to watch it stumble toward collapse as result of their own actions though.
    It's sad to see your justifications and defense of slavery, rape, death, and destruction for the sake of money.

  15. #16835
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    It's sad to see your justifications and defense of slavery, rape, death, and destruction for the sake of money.
    Clearly the lesson here is that if you are being assaulted, you should just lay back and let it happen.
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  16. #16836
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    It was European choice to disrupt world trade - into which Russia is tightly integrated - and make dependency on their financial system questionable to everyone "to punish Russia".
    Being someone who clearly cares about world economy, don't you think invading a country that is also tied to said economy is extremly disruptive? You know, destroying fields that supplied multiple countries with grain, bombarding cities tied to local steel production?

    Orders of magnitude more, in fact, than economical sanctions that can be revoked if the sanctioned country would choose to make a slightiest move towards trying to stop this carnage.

    Unless your answer would be "we can kill them all and take over their economy, and everything will be fine, why the long faces", in that case there's not much of a conversation to be had.

  17. #16837
    Why so mean? We only commit a little warcrime here and there. Is no big deal guys, we do this all the time!

  18. #16838
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Let's be honest there, Shillker (and other Russian lovers) keeps getting banned all the time.
    Yeah... after several days.. most of there posts, the moment they are back are reason enough for stern warnings in the least, if not outright being banned.. but yeah i eat this ban.

  19. #16839
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    Yeah... after several days.. most of there posts, the moment they are back are reason enough for stern warnings in the least, if not outright being banned.. but yeah i eat this ban.
    Tell them to direct the bans at me. I'll happily take it. I hope more orcs die today in very brutal ways.

  20. #16840
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Even by your standards that is thoroughly dishonest. It was Russia's choice to disrupt world trade by invading a sovereign nation, the fact that Russia underestimated the response and hoped that Europe would sit back and do nothing, as they had with Russia's previous transgressions, is down to Russia and no other nation.
    "Do nothing", nope, that certainly wasn't what Russian expected. Europe didn't "do nothing" previously.

    But "disrupt finance and trade for entire world to get back at Russia" certainly exceeded their expectation.

    Utter nonsense. The EU will continue to pour Euros into Russia for oil and gas for the time being but this will come to end and will come to more premature end now that Russia has decided to commit war crimes on a sovereign nation.
    Sooner... like by 2028 instead of projected 2030?

    Just replacing Russian gas alone will need up to ten trillions in investments - new outgoing and incoming terminals, new ships, new gas extraction capacity. All that takes years of planning and actual build time; tanker shipyards were already full with orders for years ahead.

    Whilst European leaders may be squeamish about rising energy costs, the more reports and images of the atrocities carried out by Russia come out of Ukraine the more pressure they come under from their electorates to cast you adrift.
    As in "more pressure to commit economic suicide immediately by enacting energy embargo"?

    How? Most of the Russian population doesn't have a pot to piss in.
    90+% of Russian homes have centrally provided flowing water.

    Certainly not every far-off village bothers with it though; outhouses need a lot less maintenance.

    The Russian economy is heavily reliant on energy that the majority of the world is moving away from and due to Russian actions the rest of the world doesn't really want to have anything to do with them.
    Except world still need this energy and will suffer without it; all West does is trying to reshuffle energy flows.

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