1. #17081
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    For simple reason - you didn't contract extra volumes despite ability to do so. And you sold whatever you've gotten from Russian long-term contracts for profits on spot market (remember all those reverse flows to Poland from Germany?) rather then keep it in storage.

    You made your hand weak by your own decisions and now you're blaming Russia for exploiting that - while at the same time gleefully cheering "We've seized your reserves!"
    Oh you mean that time when Russia withheld gas deliveries to add pressure on North Stream 2?
    And when Gas prices were so high that Europe opted to use reserves until the marked calmed down again?
    All of that basically caused by Gazprom?

    Obviously Russia and Gazprom denied this, while Russia blamed Germany and Poland and western Nations blamed Russia etc. etc.... but it shouldn't take much to realize now who said the truth and who didn't.

    If you really think that the reserves, which were filled to 90% at all times, are "by chance" only filled to 50% right before Russia "did not" declare war on Ukraine, then you are as big of a shill as I always imagined.
    Last edited by KrayZ33; 2022-04-13 at 09:48 AM.

  2. #17082
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    i dont understand how?

    your country is committing a genocide. With mass executions of civilians and mass rape. This is a fact. How is it dehumanization?
    Because you forget to include anything that can be seen as positive.

    How about adding accepting refugees from Ukraine, delivering humanitarian aid, and humane treatment of POWs in contrast to Ukrainians?

  3. #17083
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Because you forget to include anything that can be seen as positive.

    How about adding accepting refugees from Ukraine, delivering humanitarian aid, and humane treatment of POWs in contrast to Ukrainians?
    It's cute how it thinks this convinces anyone.

  4. #17084
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Because you forget to include anything that can be seen as positive.

    How about adding accepting refugees from Ukraine, delivering humanitarian aid, and humane treatment of POWs in contrast to Ukrainians?
    Russia invades their country, abducts their citizens, shells their homes, schools, hospitals, shops, etc, executes civilians, rapes their women and children and you think that Russia deserves credit for this? Fucking hell...

  5. #17085
    Can't we get a permanent ban for this obvious kremlin troll? Are you too busy banning people for memes or something?

  6. #17086
    The state media of only one country has called for the final solution to the Ukrainian question and it starts with R and ends with ussia.

  7. #17087
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Because you forget to include anything that can be seen as positive.

    How about adding accepting refugees from Ukraine, delivering humanitarian aid, and humane treatment of POWs in contrast to Ukrainians?
    You mean like how you kidnapped Ukrainians civilians, send humanitarian aid for a war you started based on BS accusation, executing civilians etc ... ?

    Humane treatment for PoWs ? That is not what those who were exchanged say.

  8. #17088
    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    Oh you mean that time when Russia withheld gas deliveries to add pressure on North Stream 2?
    And when Gas prices were so high that Europe opted to use reserves until the marked calmed down again?
    All of that basically caused by Gazprom?
    GazProm didn't force Europe to give greater weight to spot prices - Poland won a lawsuit to that end in 2020 while gas prices were low - with court giving GazProm billions of fines for not being more market-oriented.

    Then many European countries re-negotiated their contracts to get spot prices greater weight (averaged over 3-6 months) instead of fixed prices - which were around $200-240 while spot dropped down to something like 140$. Then - surprise - spot prices started to surge for whole 2021; trying to prove it was GazProm's fault had failed so far, and not for the lack of trying.

    Now they are paying for that decision with GazProm's average already up above 800$. All while GazProm fought against it.

    European short-sightness at it's peak.
    Last edited by Shalcker; 2022-04-13 at 09:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    So you're saying Russia dropped down to Western level from position of moral superiority (as Ukrainians did plenty of that in last 8 years).
    If russia dropped in regards of morality it would be in Mariana trench.

  10. #17090
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
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    Your economy will get destroyed. You will be an isolated 3rd world pariah state for decades. Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    What positive qualities do you think murderers, rapists and/or kidnappers have?
    Puppies and birds really enjoy eating them. Thats it.

  12. #17092
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Because you forget to include anything that can be seen as positive.

    How about adding accepting refugees from Ukraine, delivering humanitarian aid, and humane treatment of POWs in contrast to Ukrainians?
    You mean kidnapping 140k children after murdering their parents? I could do the same in Finland, just that no one will ever think of it as a positive quality.

    Humanitarian aid? Airstriking civilians like Mr Molotov told his people about delivering aid to poor finns...Which also lead to the invention of the famed cocktail

    Humane treatment? As in forcing them into pro-russian propaganda videos after murdering everyone they knew?

    There are no good qualities in russian troops. And the russian people with their overwhelming support for this genocide are soon to follow at this rate.

  13. #17093
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    i dont understand how?

    your country is committing a genocide. With mass executions of civilians and mass rape. This is a fact. How is it dehumanization?
    I guess every time you mention something negative about orcish cannon fodder, like how they like killing civilians and raping children, you should throw in a positive russian fact to counterbalance it. You know, just to be fair. Like "Ruskie soldiers tend to like torturing civilians before cutting off their heads, but on the other hand, Tchaikovsky".

  14. #17094
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Humane treatment for PoWs ? That is not what those who were exchanged say.
    Show me the interview you're using for this assertion.

  15. #17095
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    We're one month in and West is shown to be utterly unprepared for economic war of attrition - no reserves, no agreements, frantically looking for solutions to plug the gaps and finding there are none that will work in time.

    Entire CBR sanctions only made sense if they would stop Russia on it's tracks. This didn't happen.

    If you'd geared up for long haul you should have gotten your gas storage filled as well as made preparations for clean break before going "financial nuclear".

    Now you're left in position where Russia gets to dictate the rules and you have no real leverage remaining nor any alternatives for years.
    I'm reminded of a scene in Cheers. Cliff has just explained that he has 4 extra teeth, and that's how he can prove he's the rightful heir to the Russian throne. Frasier looks at him and says "Hello in there Cliff. So tell me, what colour is the sky in your world?"

    That keeps coming to mind when I read your posts. Isn't that odd?
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  16. #17096
    Quote Originally Posted by Okacz View Post
    I guess every time you mention something negative about orcish cannon fodder, like how they like killing civilians and raping children, you should throw in a positive russian fact to counterbalance it. You know, just to be fair. Like "Ruskie soldiers tend to like torturing civilians before cutting off their heads, but on the other hand, Tchaikovsky".
    If you only include negatives you can prove that any group is worthy of any kind of punishment. We've seen a lot of examples through the history.

    That is why dehumanization is universally seen as negative.

    ...of course, until they are enemies of West, then it's perfectly fine for Westerners.

  17. #17097
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Because you forget to include anything that can be seen as positive.

    How about adding accepting refugees from Ukraine, delivering humanitarian aid, and humane treatment of POWs in contrast to Ukrainians?
    There are no positives. Russian individual soldiers are commuting mass executions and rapes in a sanction campaign of genocide started by the Russian state.

    Russian soldiers created refugees (of which Russia has kidnapped many including children), makes ISIS level videos of giving people food (people who they have had under siege and denied food, while also being the primary cause of the need of humanitarian aid) and they have no shown humane treatment to POWs, they have committed atrocities against them with mass execution and torture of captured troops.

  18. #17098
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    There are no positives. Russian individual soldiers are commuting mass executions and rapes in a sanction campaign of genocide started by the Russian state.
    So you double down on dehumanization. My point stands proven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okacz View Post
    I guess every time you mention something negative about orcish cannon fodder, like how they like killing civilians and raping children, you should throw in a positive russian fact to counterbalance it. You know, just to be fair. Like "Ruskie soldiers tend to like torturing civilians before cutting off their heads, but on the other hand, Tchaikovsky".
    I can find alot of positives about orcs.
    - They are cowardly which leads them to "IM ABANDOOOOOONING" majority of their vehicles leading to huge losses - thats good
    - They are incompetent which means they can't properly execute any operation properly (see VEE DEE VEEH)
    - They lack wits and subtlety which means that all the evidence of their crimes is in plain view for the world

    Whoa so many positives.

  20. #17100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    So you double down on dehumanization. My point stand proven.
    Can't dehumanize the troops who were not human to begin with. Zug zug

    Next war, try not to be so obvious about all the genociding before asking for headpats.

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