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    not sure how all this concern for who gets their oil from someone else is suddenly an issue. as if the world's consumption of oil isn't some incestuous web of one shitty country giving their oil to another marginally less shitty country. IDK, maybe if we all actually decided to move past fossil fuels this wouldn't be a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    not sure how all this concern for who gets their oil from someone else is suddenly an issue. as if the world's consumption of oil isn't some incestuous web of one shitty country giving their oil to another marginally less shitty country. IDK, maybe if we all actually decided to move past fossil fuels this wouldn't be a problem.
    Is that not the plan long term ? Unless you get a magic plan ?

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    oh! sorry, forgot you need a magic wand to draft legislation to ween off of fossil fuels, whoops I'm such a dum dum I needed that pointed out to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Wonder if they switched to UGB because they are effectively out of guided munitions
    I hope so? Because otherwise it goes back to what I was saying before, select all -> right-click on Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    oh! sorry, forgot you need a magic wand to draft legislation to ween off of fossil fuels, whoops I'm such a dum dum I needed that pointed out to me.
    Is that legislation not already in place, at least, in EU ?

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    I wouldn't know, all I hear is a bunch of people whining about who consumes whose oil, as if that's an actual argument for anything besides how intrinsically fucked our "dependence" on it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    And Scott Morrison in Australia already on the 8th April.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mir-Putin.html
    (Yes, daily fail.)

    But what about EU-leaders?

    Well, they were banned April 30th.
    https://www.politico.eu/article/russ...for-sanctions/

    And before you say that it is only April 16th at the moment and wonder if that it news from the future - they were banned April 30th 2021. Note that there are also older travel bans from the earlier days of Russia war of aggression against Ukraine, from 2015 or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    You need to pay better attention then.
    I could say the same for you. unless you actually have a point to make, just say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    I did say it. Your last several posts have been childish and nonsensical.
    how would I know this, I mean you can't be bothered to respond with anything but smug quips that you think are meant to make me... reflect on my position in a different way? like, you suck at this, really badly.


    anyway, the point being made since it needs to be spelled out for some of you; shut the fuck up about who buys their oil from who. none of you are innocent, none of you are free of the unethical, immoral implications of what it means to do business with countries like Russia, SA, the UAE Iran etc. especially the dipshit in here talking about how brave the fucking UK is for buying their oil from *checks notes* the EU! huh, wow what a brave pivot from the mainland there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Ah ty for that I see. It's just Anglo's all in the banned club then. Twas everso.

    Curious why we are the only European nation with their leader banned considering Ukraine is on their doorstep. I suppose if Putin has a $1bn a day war to fund, and the EU gang are sending him $1bn a day for his oil then they won't be unwelcome in Moscow anytime soon.
    No one is buying Russian oil anymore.

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    Russia's advertising market has crashed due to the withdrawal of foreign companies.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/christogr...097109504?s=21

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    No one is buying Russian oil anymore.
    I'm pretty sure many still are. Like Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    I'm pretty sure many still are. Like Germany.
    They'd give up half of europe to Putin for some oil discounts. After growing their economy with russian deals and farming rest of eu they don't want to do anything when shit hit the fan.
    Germany is so despicable they should officially join India and China in the putinist defense club.

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    Seperatist advisor has said Mariupol is taking so long to capture because the AzovStal plant is the size of a city, with tunnels and buildings that can resist bombings and 'even nuclear strikes.'

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...m_source=share

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Seperatist advisor has said Mariupol is taking so long to capture because the AzovStal plant is the size of a city, with tunnels and buildings that can resist bombings and 'even nuclear strikes.'

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...m_source=share
    He isn't wrong. I was looking at it a couple weeks ago on google earth, that place is an absolute nightmare to try to take. It is a pennisular with a river on two sides, and the Azov sea on the third, so there is only one real way in. The entire thing is rail yards and steel mills, with heavy cover everywhere for the defenders, and long linear open spaces the attackers need to get through. There is no real way to bomb it to rubble, and Russia doesn't have nearly enough troops to do it the old fashioned way.

    They will probably get it eventually, but it is going to take a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    He isn't wrong. I was looking at it a couple weeks ago on google earth, that place is an absolute nightmare to try to take. It is a pennisular with a river on two sides, and the Azov sea on the third, so there is only one real way in. The entire thing is rail yards and steel mills, with heavy cover everywhere for the defenders, and long linear open spaces the attackers need to get through. There is no real way to bomb it to rubble, and Russia doesn't have nearly enough troops to do it the old fashioned way.

    They will probably get it eventually, but it is going to take a long time.
    Maybe not that long, I mean supplies are an issue so that going to be the limiting factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Maybe not that long, I mean supplies are an issue so that going to be the limiting factor.
    If this city is the "prize" Russia so desperately wants to eek out by May 9th, then I would reasonably hope the Ukrainians are able to at least hold out until then, supply-wise. That's only a few weeks from now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Maybe not that long, I mean supplies are an issue so that going to be the limiting factor.
    They've been preparing for years to defend the place. It's quite possible they have large stockpiles of supplies there. Not enough to feed a city, but a couple of thousand men?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    If this city is the "prize" Russia so desperately wants to eek out by May 9th, then I would reasonably hope the Ukrainians are able to at least hold out until then, supply-wise. That's only a few weeks from now.
    Perhaps, if it is the mess it is portrayed to be I can see that happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    They've been preparing for years to defend the place. It's quite possible they have large stockpiles of supplies there. Not enough to feed a city, but a couple of thousand men?
    They've been fighting for 7 weeks now, they're bound to start running out. But if they can get, somehow, relieved I can see them holding out.

    If nothing else they'll make the Russians pay for every millimeter of advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    If this city is the "prize" Russia so desperately wants to eek out by May 9th, then I would reasonably hope the Ukrainians are able to at least hold out until then, supply-wise. That's only a few weeks from now.
    I doubt they can. Russia is apparently plowing resources at Mariupol right now. I have wondered if the Ukrainians have some way of getting in to the city because they have been at it for over a month which just seems legendary.

    I haven not seen it mentioned but Zelensky has said if the defenders here are killed that will end the talks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    If nothing else they'll make the Russians pay for every millimeter of advance.
    I don't think there is a proper alternative route past Mariupol. These guys are holding it down for everyone in Ukraine, tying up resources and hindering those Russian forces in Kerson in the process.
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