1. #17541
    I notice so many people (understandably) say

    "if it wasn't for nukes"

    And considering how Russia has always had this reputation of an evil genocidal raping empire way before this invasion of Ukraine, it makes you wonder how 1) America didn't turn on, demilitarize, and annex Russia after Hitler's defeat and 2) how they let them obtain and keep nuclear weapons.

    It's all led up to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    And I'm fondly reminded of all the Pundits whining about our 'emasculated military' while praising Russia's 'Strong Man Army' and now seeing what their idea of a Strong Man Army looks like in action lmao.
    Seems "walk softly, but carry a big stick" is a sentiment thoroughly lost on them. They wanted things like heavy artillery-centered military parades like some tinpot dictatorship. Putin would pose shirtless riding a horse, Trump would brag about his sexual exploits (and I do mean "exploits") with women. That's what they think makes a "strong leader." Not a leader who leads intelligently or solidly. Just a leader that "sends a message" of toughness.

    Or, to paraphrase geto boys: "real gangsters don't flex nuts, 'cuz real gangsters know they got 'em." Russia, clearly, was doing a lot of the first, and had none of the second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Seems "walk softly, but carry a big stick" is a sentiment thoroughly lost on them. They wanted things like heavy artillery-centered military parades like some tinpot dictatorship. Putin would pose shirtless riding a horse, Trump would brag about his sexual exploits (and I do mean "exploits") with women. That's what they think makes a "strong leader." Not a leader who leads intelligently or solidly. Just a leader that "sends a message" of toughness.

    Or, to paraphrase geto boys: "real gangsters don't flex nuts, 'cuz real gangsters know they got 'em." Russia, clearly, was doing a lot of the first, and had none of the second.
    Conservatives/Fascists and Failing to Comprehend Nuance, name a more iconic duo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Conservatives/Fascists and Failing to Comprehend Nuance, name a more iconic duo.
    Conservatives/Fascists and Failing To Comprehend Pretty Much Anything At All Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    what are "unpredictable consequences" if not at the least WMDs?

    What are "unpredictable consequences" here? It has to be "unpredictable" like in the sense of it being some wild act no sane human could expect to happen.
    So...what's that say about you?
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    So...what's that say about you?
    Hit and sunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Commander of the Black Sea Fleet reportedly has been arrested by men in plain clothes.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...m_source=share

    I guess someone has to be scapegoated for the totally not sunk by the Ukrainians loss of the Moskva.
    The longer this goes on the more of a threat Putin becomes to those around him, at some point that has to reach a limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    And considering how Russia has always had this reputation of an evil genocidal raping empire way before this invasion of Ukraine, it makes you wonder how 1) America didn't turn on, demilitarize, and annex Russia after Hitler's defeat and 2) how they let them obtain and keep nuclear weapons.
    Once again, because any attempt to do such a thing would have immediately set off World War III.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    The longer this goes on the more of a threat Putin becomes to those around him, at some point that has to reach a limit.
    Doubt it, remember Stalin? that fucker had millions killed and nobody took him out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torched View Post
    Doubt it, remember Stalin? that fucker had millions killed and nobody took him out.
    Khrushchev though? I mean I'm not saying it happens soon, but the more people close to Putin are getting in trouble the likelier it will become that something will happen I think. In fact I'd be very surprised if not at least a few people are working on exit strategies right now. (personal ones if nothing else.) Lets not forget that he's been scapegoating the FSB, he's been purging the army and scapegoating the leadership and now the navy, those are his pillars of power.

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    Ukraine's trolling is as always on point. I love that this is directly from their minister of defense:

    https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/...77421647970309

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    What are "unpredictable consequences" here? It has to be "unpredictable" like in the sense of it being some wild act no sane human could expect to happen.
    Selling naked photos of our girlfriends at a pie eating contest? I think that fits the description you provided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    The longer this goes on the more of a threat Putin becomes to those around him, at some point that has to reach a limit.
    People said that about Adolf as well. The country had to be on fire for people to start to leave his side. Don't underestimate fanatics.

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    to those that think I talk about nukes too much:

    Today, the US Pentagon claimed that, while there's nothing to indicate Putin is *currently* insane enough to launch nukes, the possibility should NEVER be ruled out, as he is as a whole very unpredictable right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulltaker View Post
    People said that about Adolf as well. The country had to be on fire for people to start to leave his side. Don't underestimate fanatics.
    Hitler had numerous assassination attempts done on him by people on his own side, he just happened to outlast all of them until he shot himself in his bunker as the soviets were at Berlin.

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    I wouldn't be too eager about the discussion of Putin being assassinated. Remember recently he showed in public he carries around a nuclear bag 24/7. If someone kills him, he undoubtedly has a dead man's switch to take humanity with him.

    Which once again begs the question of how this madness can be stopped: He can't be killed and says he will never stop his war *until he wins.* Well, at the rate it's going, what if he loses while alive? What's he going to do then?

    Grim situation all around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    Hitler had numerous assassination attempts done on him by people on his own side, he just happened to outlast all of them until he shot himself in his bunker as the soviets were at Berlin.
    Yeah, but not from his inner circle. Several high-ranking army officers, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I wouldn't be too eager about the discussion of Putin being assassinated. Remember recently he showed in public he carries around a nuclear bag 24/7. If someone kills him, he undoubtedly has a dead man's switch to take humanity with him.

    Which once again begs the question of how this madness can be stopped: He can't be killed and says he will never stop his war *until he wins.* Well, at the rate it's going, what if he loses while alive? What's he going to do then?

    Grim situation all around.
    You watched to many bad movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    If someone kills him, he undoubtedly has a dead man's switch to take humanity with him.
    Looks like a conspiracy theory. Smells like a conspiracy theory. If only we had some kind of oversight designed to punish people for posting this kind of nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    If someone kills him, he undoubtedly has a dead man's switch to take humanity with him.
    This is absolute, utter nonsense. Stop confusing fiction with reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Looks like a conspiracy theory. Smells like a conspiracy theory. If only we had some kind of oversight designed to punish people for posting this kind of nonsense.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand

    It is. Russans do have (or did have) a system like this, but only if they are already nuked.
    Don't sweat the details!!!

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