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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Luckily, none of those things bore out. He hasn't been around here in some time; I think he dipped right before the really bad war crimes stuff started surfacing.
    The last thing I clearly remember him posting was about how that until there was independent verification about the bodies in Bucha...we shouldn't just assume Russia committed war crimes. He peaced out right after that.
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  2. #18102
    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    I have a felling something will happen on Victory Day on 8th/9 May.
    Probaly some type of sabotage.
    It's not like sabotage is even needed to make armatas break down at parades.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liftbrul View Post
    Giving Norway like 60% of Russia's northern coast, considering they only have a minuscule border with them to begin with, is bit of a head scratcher.
    If that's the only thing that makes you scratch your head...
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  3. #18103
    so Vladimir Putin is set to attend G20.

    I'll be blunt, how does he expect no one to try to kill him, especially with Zelenksy set to be there? It's just bold as hell.
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  4. #18104
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    so Vladimir Putin is set to attend G20.

    I'll be blunt, how does he expect no one to try to kill him, especially with Zelenksy set to be there? It's just bold as hell.
    Fuck off with that childish comic book attitude. Noone is going to assassinate a head of state and escalate this to a full blown world war.

  5. #18105
    Almost certainly an accident, but yet more critical infrastructure goes up in flames in Russia.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/tweet4ann...30635981479937

    This time a brand new thermal power plant in Sakhalin. Doesn't look like that'll buff out.

  6. #18106
    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    Fuck off with that childish comic book attitude. Noone is going to assassinate a head of state and escalate this to a full blown world war.
    it's not childish. the concerns are actually there. It doesn't even have to be an assassination planned. Most of the world just wants Putin dead, and who knows what might happen with him out of hiding

    It's why the Pentagon suggested this is a really foolish idea on his part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    it's not childish. the concerns are actually there.
    Hey, Yup... do you mind if I call you Yup? Yes? Too bad.

    Yup, just how much security do you think there will be at a conference attended by the leaders of 20 of the world's largest economic powers?

    How hard do you think it would be to assassinate the leader of a country in that environment without everyone knowing exactly who did it?

    How often has the leader of a major economic power been assassinated by another country where everyone knew exactly who did it?

    Also, weren't you going to stay silent until a nuke was used? Can we go back to that? Please?


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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    it's not childish. the concerns are actually there. It doesn't even have to be an assassination planned. Most of the world just wants Putin dead, and who knows what might happen with him out of hiding

    It's why the Pentagon suggested this is a really foolish idea on his part.
    Yes, very childish it is, indeed. You don't speak for "most of the world". Noone wants Putin dead because that wouldn't solve anything. The war wouldn't stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Almost certainly an accident, but yet more critical infrastructure goes up in flames in Russia.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/tweet4ann...30635981479937

    This time a brand new thermal power plant in Sakhalin. Doesn't look like that'll buff out.
    Yeah, that's too far away to be on purpose (at least too far away to be a Ukrainian action), but this does lend credence to the notion that fires are common in Russia, and we probably don't need to look for more meaning, even if it is in an important infrastructure object. Even those closer to the border are iffy if they were Ukrainian actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Yeah, that's too far away to be on purpose (at least too far away to be a Ukrainian action), but this does lend credence to the notion that fires are common in Russia, and we probably don't need to look for more meaning, even if it is in an important infrastructure object. Even those closer to the border are iffy if they were Ukrainian actions.
    As we discussed previously... this is still bad for Russia, random occurrence or not.

    Replacing or repairing this infrastructure puts a further economic toll on them, plus (or should I say, minus) the lost output of whatever the facility was supposed to be doing.

    And optically... instead of forces striking into Russia from Ukraine or from within Russia itself... now they have to go with "mass, country-sprawling incompetence" instead.

    I did a quick search to see if I could find if it was indeed a matter of "this is fairly commonplace throughout any country, we just hear about it because it's in Russia" but googling "government building fire" and "refinery fire" for the United States didn't turn up many results... certainly not in the magnitude of "several over the course of a few weeks."
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    Words to live by.

  11. #18111
    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Hey, Yup... do you mind if I call you Yup? Yes? Too bad.

    Yup, just how much security do you think there will be at a conference attended by the leaders of 20 of the world's largest economic powers?

    How hard do you think it would be to assassinate the leader of a country in that environment without everyone knowing exactly who did it?

    How often has the leader of a major economic power been assassinated by another country where everyone knew exactly who did it?

    Also, weren't you going to stay silent until a nuke was used? Can we go back to that? Please?
    You would need a nuke to kill Putin at that G20. Wait...

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    so Vladimir Putin is set to attend G20.

    I'll be blunt, how does he expect no one to try to kill him, especially with Zelenksy set to be there? It's just bold as hell.
    Not harming people in diplomatic functions is a norm that’s positively ancient, and I’m mean that literally.

    Nothing like what you’re imagining is going to happen if Putin rolls up to the entrance of G20.

  13. #18113
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    Not harming people in diplomatic functions is a norm that’s positively ancient, and I’m mean that literally.
    are you saying putin is still open to diplomacy? Would Hitler still have been open to diplomatic talks if he kept to himself in Germany?

    And it's not an "if." He said he is going.
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  14. #18114
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    are you saying putin is still open to diplomacy? Would Hitler still have been open to diplomatic talks if he kept to himself in Germany?

    And it's not an "if." He said he is going.
    Do you understand what we are telling you ? Going to g20 is diplomatic and you do not harm diplomat. Not that Putin is still open to diplomacy, two separate matters. That is how it is.

  15. #18115
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    are you saying putin is still open to diplomacy? Would Hitler still have been open to diplomatic talks if he kept to himself in Germany?

    And it's not an "if." He said he is going.
    He was certainly open to a diplomatic solution with England but Churchill wanted none of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    are you saying putin is still open to diplomacy? Would Hitler still have been open to diplomatic talks if he kept to himself in Germany?

    And it's not an "if." He said he is going.
    I’m saying that not causing bodily harm to people in diplomatic functions has been a norm of relations between political polities since literally antiquity and earlier. It’s a big no no that predates even the nation state as a concept by thousands of years.

  17. #18117
    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Apparently, according to one Chinese state run media, everyone just divvies up the land.



    Or, you know, nothing much happens except that Russia continues its decline.
    I'm sorry Norway, but there is just no way we are giving you our rightful clay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    As we discussed previously... this is still bad for Russia, random occurrence or not.

    Replacing or repairing this infrastructure puts a further economic toll on them, plus (or should I say, minus) the lost output of whatever the facility was supposed to be doing.

    And optically... instead of forces striking into Russia from Ukraine or from within Russia itself... now they have to go with "mass, country-sprawling incompetence" instead.

    I did a quick search to see if I could find if it was indeed a matter of "this is fairly commonplace throughout any country, we just hear about it because it's in Russia" but googling "government building fire" and "refinery fire" for the United States didn't turn up many results... certainly not in the magnitude of "several over the course of a few weeks."
    I know we discussed it before and I agree with you about the optics, but the last few fires were far away from the warzone so those really can't easily be blamed on anyone but the russians themselves. As for googling fires in the US, there is a WORLD of difference in safety standards between Russia and the US. I would be surprised if these fires were commonplace in most countries, but not in a corrupt country like Russia.

    In any case, we agree that there seem to be quite a few fires lately, and the Russians aren't making a big deal out of it.

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    Honestly if we're running off some kind of Chinese fanfic we may as well just say "well, the Ukrainians will grind down the Russian army to nothing and then invade them", and then we'll have Kievan Rus again. That would work just fine for me tbh
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  20. #18120
    Quote Originally Posted by LilSaihah View Post
    Honestly if we're running off some kind of Chinese fanfic we may as well just say "well, the Ukrainians will grind down the Russian army to nothing and then invade them", and then we'll have Kievan Rus again. That would work just fine for me tbh
    Not so sure about that, because the financial support from Western power would stop as soon as Ukraine would invade Russia.

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