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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Yuppie doing yuppie trolling

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    This war is brutal and hopefully Russia does not put those people in camps, at this point almost anything is possible.
    I think the idea behind kidnapping people and sending them to Siberia is actually to prop up russia's declining population if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    don't ignore the people russia has kidnapped. 400k is fucking horrifying for an estimate.
    Still not well above a million.

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    I saw a very interesting video that explains why Russia initial plan failed and why they are not close to victory.

    Unfortunately, it is in French. I still post it for those who understand it.

    https://www.lemonde.fr/videos/video/...1_1669088.html

    For the others, Russia lacks Sergeant or the equivalent to organize their troops in urban fights. Ukraine landscape is muddy at this time of year, forcing Russia to use roads and become easy prey for drones and air strikes.

    They use soviet ammo which are mostly non guided, and this is why they could not suppress Ukrainian AA capabilities and air force.

    They also lack in the logistic department, they lack trucks to bring supplies to the front line and those trucks have to use road as well, becoming targets.

    Their army lacks morale as well, since it is not as professional as Western's one and most of them do not want to be there or do not even know why they are there.
    Last edited by Specialka; 2022-05-01 at 10:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    I saw a very interesting video that explains why Russia initial plan failed and why they are not close to victory.

    Unfortunately, it is in French. I still post it for those who understand it.

    https://www.lemonde.fr/videos/video/...1_1669088.html

    For the others, Russia lacks Sergeant or the equivalent to organize their troops in urban fights. Ukraine landscape is muddy at this time of year, forcing Russia to use roads and become easy prey for drones and air strikes.

    They use soviet ammo which are mostly non guided, and this is why they could not suppress Ukrainian AA capabilities and air force.

    They also lack in the logistic department, they lack trucks to bring supplies to the front line and those trucks have to use road as well, becoming targets.

    Their army lacks morale as well, since it is not as professional as Western's one and most of them do not want to be there or do not even know why they are there.
    They failed, because like in everything russian, people in charge of overseeing projects with any amount of money involved, embezzled every dime of it thinking not even Putin is retarded enough to actually launch the invasion.

    Another issue directly with their armed forces is that absolutely nobody has any sort of capacity to take initiative. Unless a superior officer is there to directly command an operation, no matter how small, it will not get done and the grunts just mill about getting slaughtered by artillery fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    They failed, because like in everything russian, people in charge of overseeing projects with any amount of money involved, embezzled every dime of it thinking not even Putin is retarded enough to actually launch the invasion.

    Another issue directly with their armed forces is that absolutely nobody has any sort of capacity to take initiative. Unless a superior officer is there to directly command an operation, no matter how small, it will not get done and the grunts just mill about getting slaughtered by artillery fire.
    Well, as I said, they lack the equivalent of Sergeant in their army. They have too few of them.

    And do not think that any other army would have the same issue if they faced that issue. Grunts are doing what they are told, if they are told nothing, they do nothing, that is why they are grunt.

    And that also why so much superior officers are being killed, they are sent on the field to fill the role of sergeants or such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Here's an estimate on Ukraine citizens having successfully fled to other countries not Russia or Belarus. It's not 3 million, but way higher than I assumed. For all intents and purposes, since these people are "safe" it won't be really considered.
    Of course they're not considered casualties. The only person who even thought to consider them that was you. And it's closer to 6 million refugees now.


    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) recorded 5,121 civilian casualties
    That total is undoubtedly low, but it's also nowhere near 1 million. This is the only category that can realistically be considered "civilian casualties", btw.


    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    An estimate on how many people Russia has kidnapped is around 400,000 as of April by all accounts
    No, Yup, not "by all accounts"; that number is the product of Ukrainian speculation.


    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    don't ignore the people russia has kidnapped. 400k is fucking horrifying for an estimate.
    And yet even that unverifiable estimate is nowhere your "well over 1 million" claim.


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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    That is what happens when your army lacks supplies and discipline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Well, as I said, they lack the equivalent of Sergeant in their army. They have too few of them.

    And do not think that any other army would have the same issue if they faced that issue. Grunts are doing what they are told, if they are told nothing, they do nothing, that is why they are grunt.

    And that also why so much superior officers are being killed, they are sent on the field to fill the role of sergeants or such.
    More sergeants wouldn't probably make any difference, as they too would just sit with their thumbs up their ass and wait for someone to give them orders.

    It is a fundamental defect in the mentality of the russian armed forces. They are taught absolute obedience and all sense of initiative is weeded out. The end result is that they need to have the highest rank possible officer at the site of the operation 24/7 or nothing gets done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    I think the idea behind kidnapping people and sending them to Siberia is actually to prop up russia's declining population if anything.
    Do your part. Close eyes, think of Mother Russia.
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Of course they're not considered casualties. The only person who even thought to consider them that was you. And it's closer to 6 million refugees now.



    That total is undoubtedly low, but it's also nowhere near 1 million. This is the only category that can realistically be considered "civilian casualties", btw.



    No, Yup, not "by all accounts"; that number is the product of Ukrainian speculation.



    And yet even that unverifiable estimate is nowhere your "well over 1 million" claim.
    when I was growing up, I was repeatedly lectured the idea of killing even one person was absolute evil/sin.

    while I can't speak for your morals, pretty sure at the least ruining the lives of millions upon millions while taking thousands of them speaks volumes for how evil Putin is. He's done the same in Syria, and with the apartment bombings that led to his rise in power, he's murdered well over several millions in his life.

    just stop trying to rationalize this guy as someone who deserves to live. It's not a contest to how much lower he can sink; he is a brutal killer on par with the people mentioned in my flair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    when I was growing up, I was repeatedly lectured the idea of killing even one person was absolute evil/sin.

    while I can't speak for your morals, pretty sure at the least ruining the lives of millions upon millions while taking thousands of them speaks volumes for how evil Putin is. He's done the same in Syria, and with the apartment bombings that led to his rise in power, he's murdered well over several millions in his life.

    just stop trying to rationalize this guy as someone who deserves to live. It's not a contest to how much lower he can sink; he is a brutal killer on par with the people mentioned in my flair.
    Stop it with your "murdered millions" already. He's a mass murderer, but he has not killed ONE million, let alone millionS. Far from. Fuck off with your constant hyperboles and lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    when I was growing up, I was repeatedly lectured the idea of killing even one person was absolute evil/sin.


    You were taught wrong. On multiple counts. One of which isn't allowed to be discussed on the board, emphasis mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    More sergeants wouldn't probably make any difference, as they too would just sit with their thumbs up their ass and wait for someone to give them orders.

    It is a fundamental defect in the mentality of the russian armed forces. They are taught absolute obedience and all sense of initiative is weeded out. The end result is that they need to have the highest rank possible officer at the site of the operation 24/7 or nothing gets done.
    Nah, that is what sergeants do, they organize or take initiative when needed. That is their role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    Stop it with your "murdered millions" already. He's a mass murderer, but he has not killed ONE million, let alone millionS. Far from. Fuck off with your constant hyperboles and lies.
    Putin has been involved with orchestrating many, many wars and regional conflicts in his life, not just Ukraine.
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Putin has been involved with orchestrating many, many wars and regional conflicts in his life, not just Ukraine.
    I know, and all of those account for a couple of tens of thousand casualties. Far from a million or "several millions". You really need to shut up about things you clearly don't understand.

    Educate yourself JUST FOR ONCE:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurg...North_Caucasus
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...rian_civil_war
    Last edited by XDurionX; 2022-05-01 at 12:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    I know, and all of those account for a couple of tens of thousand casualties. Far from a million or "several millions". You really need to shut up about things you clearly don't understand.
    But refugees are also casualties in his eyes. But I would love to see his number on those millions killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    I know, and all of those account for a couple of tens of thousand casualties. Far from a million or "several millions". You really need to shut up about things you clearly don't understand.

    Educate yourself JUST FOR ONCE:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurg...North_Caucasus
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...rian_civil_war
    I just want to ask how you can admit he's done these things and murdered well over one person in his life time, and not admit he's evil to the core
    "Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I just want to ask how you can admit he's done these things and murdered well over one person in his life time, and not admit he's evil to the core
    Moving goalposts again. Just admit you were wrong. Again. And again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Nah, that is what sergeants do, they organize or take initiative when needed. That is their role.
    I think you don't understand that the russian military is not like a western military. Let me paint you a picture:

    >You are a russian soldier
    >Your job is to figuratively and literally to suck your superior's cock and do exactly what you are told down to a letter
    >Failure to execute the direct command of your superior officer leads to you getting beaten/raped/killed 100% of the time
    >Taking initiative = going against the direct orders of your commanding officer
    >All sense of personal initiative is beaten/raped out of you during your conscript period
    >You exists to do as you are told, not to think.

    There is no magical "sergeant class" that exists outside of this structure, that is free of the threat of physical violence for not doing exactly as you are told. The sergeants are beaten/killed by their lieutenants, the lieutenants are beaten/killed by their captains... Etc.

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