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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    The swiss are probably working out how to make money on it. They loved floating the nazi regime, surely the oligarchs would be a lovely touch for them. The only thing they love more than profiting off war is being mean to jamacian bobsleigh teams.
    Not much money to be made, Obama killed the Swiss Banking Secret, and ever since the banks have been walking on eggshells to avoid even the prospect of being randomly blacklisted by the US. Even we were surprised at how quickly the Government joined the fray regarding sanctions, and since then even local banks are terminating business with random Russians. Authorities even asked the IOC to dismiss their Russian members (they refused, arguing that those are employed on a personal merit basis and not as representative of a country).
    "Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outwards, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendent, and to embrace them is to achieve enlightenment."

    ~ Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang on Essays on Mind and Matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Lulz.

    Russian state media commedians are now saying that it's only 1 dead and 27 missing from the Moskva, CNN reports.
    These Russians are giving Baghdad Bob the run for his money.



    Wonder what happened to that guy
    Putin khuliyo

  3. #18303
    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Big difference between Switzerland blocking the sale of a plane meant for the civilian market that's then converted to military use and SOURCING your ammunition from Switzerland which will block its sale when you actually need it.

    That fuck up per say is not on the Swiss, but on Germans being fucking retarded.

    And on the supposed Swiss military readimess...I'm sorry but I have a hard time taking a country seriously when their air force only operates on business hours. The fact that they are even able to consider such nonsense highlights the fact that the Swiss themselves don't take their own military preparedness seriously and mostly just rely on the fact that they can hide behind NATO.
    Sale of the planes was not blocked, it just made a scandal in the press once it was discovered what happened to it and the use it was put to. It fuels the usual discussion on dual use industries.

    AFAIK a lot of countries are nowadays controlling the fate of the military gear they sell even in the case of a resale, like the US, albeit for a variety of reasons.

    We are clearly not at Israel's level when it comes to preparedness, although the recent Covid partial mobilization has proved that we retain capacity to quickly mobilize our militia-based army.

    The business-hour air force is nowadays becoming an old meme, as since that story they've been ramping up capacity and have been maintaining 24/7 since late 2020.

    Being a direct democracy does have its drawback when a substantial proportion of your population and the mainstream is sold on pacifism and redirecting defense funds to pensions and the like. A big reason our Air Force capacity dipped was due to the 2014 Referendum that cancelled the deal to procure Swedish Gripen E to replace a big chunk of our aging fleet, but in 2020 we narrowly accepted the principle of renewing our air defense (as in 50.1% yes...). Following that we selected the F-35A, despite the Antimilitarists and Socialists announcing they'd launch a new Referendum against it in case anything American was selected. Now polls show that such a Referendum would be soundly defeated, and some parties are advocating for better collaboration with Nato (if not outright joining, but no chance on that).

    While there's now a quite large consensus to reallocate funds to Defense, it would a very long walk until we reached the Nato 2%, given the sheer size of our economy (lately we are larger than Turkey, with 1/10th of the population). Currently talks are about ramping up spending to reach 1% of GDP by 2030.
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    ~ Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang on Essays on Mind and Matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...sian-artillery

    Russia using inhumane ammunition. It's like back in the Winter War!

    Russia. Russia never changes.
    Inhumane yes, but not prohibited. That's what gets me here, like it's totally FINE to shoot it at soldiers, just not civilians...

  5. #18305
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    @Forogil this is what I mean.
    And I'm saying that it is more complicated.

    First there are claims that conventional fire bombing is more efficient in creating fires. Basically they first destroy the buildings - creating combustible material - and then lights it on fire - nukes reverse that; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestorm#Firebombing
    And it doesn't seem that Russia is using many incendiary bombs in Ukraine (some white phosphorus), and they haven't used big air raids so far.

    As examples consider Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, and Dresden fire bombings. Hiroshima had a fire storm. Nagasaki didn't - due to uneven terrain. Dresden had - despite conventional bombing. Tokyo allegedly didn't due to strong winds (others disagree). Clearly strong winds can cause the fire to spread more, whereas a fire storm actually limits the spread of the fire (the storm is inward from all sides); and the nuclear winter seems to rely on the fire storm part to get the material high up in the air - not the size of the fire area. (Oh, and run away very quickly or stay in bomb shelters to survive.)

    Obviously relying on strong winds and hilly terrain to avoid a nuclear winter isn't good; but it indicates that it is more complicated.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclea...ism_and_debate
    Indicates that it isn't a slam-dunk case and concludes with
    He also reveals that, in his view, "nuclear winter was largely politically motivated from the beginning".
    Still hoping that we don't have to test it in reality.

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    If twitter goes belly up, I would miss like 3 super snarky accounts; Devin's Cow, NYT Pitch Bot, and this guy:

    Darth Putin
    @DarthPutinKGB
    Comrades @
    Bundesbank to print new German Euro notes to commemorate support for Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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  7. #18307
    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post
    If twitter goes belly up, I would miss like 3 super snarky accounts; Devin's Cow, NYT Pitch Bot, and this guy:

    Darth Putin
    @DarthPutinKGB
    Comrades @
    Bundesbank to print new German Euro notes to commemorate support for Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    Design by
    @nestorozrn


    I see you're not familiar with Peter Molydeux - https://twitter.com/petermolydeux

    This is the single best gaming-related Twitter account around, and I'm genuinely sad that more developers haven't started making games based off these concepts.

  8. #18308
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    And I'm saying that it is more complicated.

    First there are claims that conventional fire bombing is more efficient in creating fires. Basically they first destroy the buildings - creating combustible material - and then lights it on fire - nukes reverse that; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestorm#Firebombing
    And it doesn't seem that Russia is using many incendiary bombs in Ukraine (some white phosphorus), and they haven't used big air raids so far.

    As examples consider Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, and Dresden fire bombings. Hiroshima had a fire storm. Nagasaki didn't - due to uneven terrain. Dresden had - despite conventional bombing. Tokyo allegedly didn't due to strong winds (others disagree). Clearly strong winds can cause the fire to spread more, whereas a fire storm actually limits the spread of the fire (the storm is inward from all sides); and the nuclear winter seems to rely on the fire storm part to get the material high up in the air - not the size of the fire area. (Oh, and run away very quickly or stay in bomb shelters to survive.)

    Obviously relying on strong winds and hilly terrain to avoid a nuclear winter isn't good; but it indicates that it is more complicated.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclea...ism_and_debate
    Indicates that it isn't a slam-dunk case and concludes with

    Still hoping that we don't have to test it in reality.
    It’s not about creating fire, it’s about where the smoke ends up from that fire.

  9. #18309
    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Using the global climate model GISS ModelE (Goddard Institute for Space Studies, New York), they calculated that nearly all the 5 Tg of smoke produced would rise to the stratosphere, where it would spread globally, reducing the global average temperature by 1.25°C for 3–4 years and by more than 0.5°C for a decade. This effect was longer lasting than that found in previous “nuclear winter” studies, because older models could not represent the rise of smoke into the stratosphere. Mills et al. [2008] then used a chemistry-climate model to calculate that the concurrent heating of the stratosphere by up to 100°C would produce global ozone loss on a scale unprecedented in human history, lasting for up to a decade.
    Hey, would you look at that - Russia are trying to save the world from Climate Change by lowering the global temperature with a nuclear winter!

    /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    It’s not about creating fire, it’s about where the smoke ends up from that fire.
    This is actually an interesting site to check the wind on, since the smoke would travel by wind.

    https://www.windfinder.com/#6/49.8663/32.5635

    It's really quite something to follow a particle to see where it would end up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    This is actually an interesting site to check the wind on, since the smoke would travel by wind.

    https://www.windfinder.com/#6/49.8663/32.5635

    It's really quite something to follow a particle to see where it would end up.
    Unless it’s tracking the stratosphere it’s not particularly helpful for tracking more than the immediate effects of the spread of fallout.

  12. #18312
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post

    What did the Germans do now?
    They just cut's the military help for some shaddy reasons while talking in media how much they are doing for Ukraine. I read today some articles that some people consider Scholz more as Putin ally than Ukraine.

  13. #18313
    Apparently there have been some explosions in the separatist region of Moldova.
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.

  14. #18314
    Indian Ships Bound for Russia Made Their Way Back

    Thousands of shipping containers that left India for Russia are stranded across ports in Europe and West Asia as the war in Ukraine gums up transport logistics worldwide. While some shipping liners insist on additional fees to return the undelivered containers to India, some exporters are scrambling to find overland routes to get them to their destination or find new buyers for these goods in other countries.

    Shipping liners carrying around 3,000 such containers worth billions of dollars are unable to move ahead or return, two shipping industry executives aware of the matter said. According to the executives, many exporters have been trying to bring back their stuck exports, but shipping liners have asked exporters to pay demurrage and detention charges first. Demurrage is the charge an exporter must pay for using a container within the terminal beyond the free time period, while detention refers to the fees for its use outside of the terminal or depot beyond the free time period.

    Exporters unable to pay up face the prospect of incurring significant losses. Along with the option of returning their products, exporters are also looking at new buyers for their stuck products, the people cited above said. “Although a few ships with Indian exports are returning now, there are several containers still stuck at various ports," said one of the two people cited above.

    This comes amid a shortage of vessels and containers as US and European curbs on Russia and its businesses drive up crude prices and shipping costs.

    Ajay Sahai, director-general of the Federation of Indian Export Organizations, said the customs department is creating systems for faster clearance of reimported goods. The Central Board of Indirect Taxes and Customs is preparing a comprehensive standard operating procedure (SoP) for such reimports, a government official aware of the development said.

  15. #18315
    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    These Russians are giving Baghdad Bob the run for his money.



    Wonder what happened to that guy
    Supposedly he's living in UAE. Since nothing Saddam did or ordered towards civilians could be linked to the guy he was basically interrogated by the US and let go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afrospinach View Post
    Apparently there have been some explosions in the separatist region of Moldova.
    The reports are someone tried to attack a governmental building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    And I'm saying that it is more complicated.
    Of course it's more complicated. I stated that at the outset.


    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    First there are claims that conventional fire bombing is more efficient in creating fires.
    You're ignoring the more important aspect: that regular fires don't pump that smoke into the stratosphere like a nuclear blast does.

    The Australian bush fires in 2019-20 released ~750 million tons of smoke into the atmosphere. less than 1 million of that ended up in the stratosphere, however.

    Firestorms are a rare phenomenon, and I say this having personally lived through an evacuation from a firestorm in California. They're still rare even in the realm of military campaigns. And the nuclear weapons of today are fare more destructive than the ones used in Japan. Furthermore, you're presupposing that the a "regular" firestorm is equally as capable of depositing carbon into the stratosphere as one caused by a nuclear blast, which superheats the air in the area and punches a hole through the tropopause before the firestorm can even start.

    Sure, there's academic speculation that modern construction is less prone to catching fire and creating a firestorm, but the truth is that it's all just academic speculation, which...
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Still hoping that we don't have to test it in reality.
    Yeah.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    It’s not about creating fire, it’s about where the smoke ends up from that fire.
    It's a combination of them.

    And note that cited statement was that the nuclear exchange would according to Toon & al produce up to 5Tg of smoke in the stratosphere; but others instead write:
    Based on the analysis by Toon et al. (2007a), such a conflict would generate 1–5 Tg of black carbon aerosol particles injected into the
    upper troposphere,
    That is an uncertainty of a factor of 5; indicating that it is more complicated, and looking at Toon et al the 1-5 Tg was just an inaccurate summary and instead the conclusion was:
    There are many uncertainties in the analysis presented here.
    ...
    The major uncertainties, however, are likely in our choices of scenario.

  18. #18318
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    It's a combination of them.

    And note that cited statement was that the nuclear exchange would according to Toon & al produce up to 5Tg of smoke in the stratosphere; but others instead write:

    That is an uncertainty of a factor of 5; indicating that it is more complicated, and looking at Toon et al the 1-5 Tg was just an inaccurate summary and instead the conclusion was:
    Yeah, I was inaccurate in my statement. The fire that burns after the initial blast isn’t sending smoke into the stratosphere though, at least not like that initial blast.

  19. #18319
    https://twitter.com/francska1/status...96830661066752

    Very believable, much legit. Oh wow.

    Because when in a secret operation to assassinate russian reporters (???), you will need your comfortable Hitler photo, some themed clothing, some...crack (because drugs are DPS cooldown) and passports of Ukrainian kind to leave them your personal details...for reasons!

    OH AND SIMS 3 FOR SOME QUALITY GAMING!

    Are russian people this fucking stupid that they would fall for this kind of shit?
    Last edited by Saradain; 2022-04-25 at 08:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Are russian people this fucking stupid that they would fall for this kind of shit?
    Yes, or rather: brainwashing is one hell of a drug...They're not necessarily stupid.
    Last edited by Iphie; 2022-04-25 at 09:13 PM.

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