1. #18581
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Under no circumstances can Putler end the "special operation" without a victory. An official war accompanied with full mobilization is pretty much the only thing left that might secure a big win.
    A Pyrrhic victory. As in "Putin is acting like a big Pyrrhic because he has a small Pyrrhic".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Maybe. Problem is, Putin threw way too few people at this.
    In some places this may be true but looking at how poor the Russian forces have been at mobility and supply within Ukraine. 80km convoy, 160km convoy. Same thing.

    Some absolutely savage videos posted today here:

    https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1

    And a little remark about a firefight between two RUSSIAN forces over loot spoils.

    oh, and another insight into Russian soldier armor. They are basically wearing WW2 era protection for helmets. Earlier he had something about their ballistic vest as well which I did not watch but he was holding up a vest perforated with holes so either it is inadequate or they are wearing no plates at all.
    Last edited by Afrospinach; 2022-04-29 at 08:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I...ninety? Really?
    Probably highly exaggerated figures.

    What collectively goes into a modern fighting formation means it’ll cease to be effective in combat far earlier than that.

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    At the rate this is going, I wonder how Putin will have his victory parade on May 9th.

    For those of you people that think that still sounds silly or far-fetched, Putin has been really doubling down on that day in absolutes. It *will* happen, apparently. But the logistics right now make it seem questionable how he will achieve the ends to have that day become real.

  5. #18585
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    At the rate this is going, I wonder how Putin will have his victory parade on May 9th.

    For those of you people that think that still sounds silly or far-fetched, Putin has been really doubling down on that day in absolutes. It *will* happen, apparently. But the logistics right now make it seem questionable how he will achieve the ends to have that day become real.
    what do you mean? its just a parade, literally being practiced the other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    Probably highly exaggerated figures.

    What collectively goes into a modern fighting formation means it’ll cease to be effective in combat far earlier than that.
    I am sure there are specific instances of this happening to entire companies. Several, in fact, have been wiped out in the Kherson region trying to advance over the past couple of weeks.

    Trouble with Russia is they are almost post modern with their tactics where tank > all with it's awesome fire power, awareness and yada yada yada. There is this youtube channel "task and purpose" that is delving into various technical aspects of tanks/drones and so on. Occasionally he drops really interesting info such as the fact that this invasion Russia is doing has an almost textbook approach according to their own doctrine and it has essentially been foiled by mud and NLAWs.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    what do you mean? its just a parade, literally being practiced the other day.
    He is just getting his nuke boner ready for another round of puerile nonsense.
    Last edited by Afrospinach; 2022-04-29 at 08:12 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    At the rate this is going, I wonder how Putin will have his victory parade on May 9th.

    For those of you people that think that still sounds silly or far-fetched, Putin has been really doubling down on that day in absolutes. It *will* happen, apparently. But the logistics right now make it seem questionable how he will achieve the ends to have that day become real.
    Honestly, given how pervasive and flagrantly untruthful Russian propaganda has been thus far, he could simply declare victory and have a parade in full defiance of the reality of the situation. He's lied about every other aspect of the invasion of Ukraine, why not just lie about winning, too?
    Last edited by DarkTZeratul; 2022-04-29 at 08:53 PM.

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    Welp, no other country joining Putler on the 9th parade, not even Belarus.
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  9. #18589
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Putin has this covered. The rumor is he will declare an official war on Ukraine on may 9th, allowing for full mobilization. The morons will probably enthutiastically rally behind the war (at first anyway).
    The thing is, it's not like Putin can snap his fingers and send the Red Army to Ukraine by next week.

    It isn't like this is WC3 and Putin has 100 barracks and stockpiled gold and pop so all he has to do is click and start mass producing footmen. He has to build that up first. They need to be trained. The trainers need to be trained. You need to find equipment. It took the US 18 months before they could field an army in WW2- and they already had a great start on the war economy in Lend Lease to GB and the USSR. Russia today is a joke economy, under massive sanctions that can't build anything without foreign imports.

    As Phil O Brien on Twitter observed, the 33 billion for Ukraine carries the stated goal of Ukr defeating Russia within 5 months. If they rush and are fine with chucking poorly trained, poorly equipped conscripts into a meat grinder (very hard to believe I know) Russia can probably get them out in 6 months.

  10. #18590
    Quote Originally Posted by Finlandia WOAT View Post
    The thing is, it's not like Putin can snap his fingers and send the Red Army to Ukraine by next week.

    It isn't like this is WC3 and Putin has 100 barracks and stockpiled gold and pop so all he has to do is click and start mass producing footmen. He has to build that up first. They need to be trained. The trainers need to be trained.
    They have reserves. Because it's not a "war", they cannot be used... yet. Hence he will declare war. Many experts are almost sure of it. That's his last chance to save face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afrospinach View Post
    He is just getting his nuke boner ready for another round of puerile nonsense.
    His normal conspiracy schtick reads like Tweek from South Park.
    His nuclear shit? I read it in this voice.
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  12. #18592
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    what do you mean? its just a parade, literally being practiced the other day.
    The things he implies that make it questionable is

    1) he plans on it being IN Ukraine no matter what

    2) he plans on being there

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    They have reserves. Because it's not a "war", they cannot be used... yet. Hence he will declare war. Many experts are almost sure of it. That's his last chance to save face.
    Reserves aren't just combat ready like that...they need training and equipping, did you think he could just snap his fingers and have the reserves combat ready?

    To spell it out: reserves are those men who will be eligible to be called in after their service, but they go on to have a normal life after their service so they really need training first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Reserves aren't just combat ready like that...they need training and equipping, did you think he could just snap his fingers and have the reserves combat ready?
    That has never been a main concern in the russian military. Their tactics usually involve just sending out troops as cannon fodder anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    The things he implies that make it questionable is

    1) he plans on it being IN Ukraine no matter what

    2) he plans on being there
    Says whom? Your inner monologue?

    This is just more of your made-up bullshit.


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  16. #18596
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    The things he implies that make it questionable is

    1) he plans on it being IN Ukraine no matter what

    2) he plans on being there
    its in Moscow, so yea he will be there. It will be a bunch of russians walking about with the nukes up front parading around and lots of Z's everywhere. big fucking deal.

    try typing 'Victory Day military Parade Rehearsals' into google...

  17. #18597
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    its in Moscow, so yea he will be there.
    no, I don't think it can be in Moscow contrary to his claims of it being in Ukraine. No one will believe he's won anything short of him at least hosting the parade within Ukraine.

    Hosting it in Moscow is more or less admitting he's failed to achieve any meaningful progress in his invasion in that it can't safely be held there. And that would make him look WEAK, and he can't have that.

  18. #18598
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    no, I don't think it can be in Moscow contrary to his claims of it being in Ukraine. No one will believe he's won anything short of him at least hosting the parade within Ukraine.

    Hosting it in Moscow is more or less admitting he's failed to achieve any meaningful progress in his invasion in that it can't safely be held there. And that would make him look WEAK, and he can't have that.
    it takes place in red square every year. all that will be different from last year is the soldiers will all be wearing Z's and the nukes will be at the front of the parade.

    you are wrong.

  19. #18599
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    it takes place in red square every year. all that will be different from last year is the soldiers will all be wearing Z's and the nukes will be at the front of the parade.

    you are wrong.
    to be honest, if it is held in Moscow like you say, that adds more concern because if the parade was held in Ukraine with Putin there, that suggests he'd have won the war while leaving it hospitable enough by conventional war standards.

    If it's held in Moscow and Putin is pushing for absolute victory by May 9th deadline like people worry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    If it's held in Moscow and Putin is pushing for absolute victory by May 9th deadline like people worry...
    ...then what? DON'T LEAVE US HANGING, YUPPIE. THEN WHAT?!?!

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