Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Azadina]

How are your energy bills going?

Given that EU plans to invoke their energy security measures gas and oil deliveries to UK from Norway are at risk.

They're quite fine, considering we don't rape, torture and murder women and children. You can't say the same. Why is raping, torturing and murdering women and children worthwhile exchange for cheap energy? Why?

[Shalcker]

Never change, Shalcker.

Stolen grain from Ukraine is now russian frontline supply chain, because no one cannot paint "Z" on stolen trucks anyway.

If Ukraine wins it can ask for compensation.

If Russia wins it'll have to feed them anyway.

Saving grain from being destroyed in war is net good.

[Saradain]

If Ukraine wins it can ask for compensation.

If Russia wins it'll have to feed them anyway.

Saving grain from being destroyed in war is net good.

Could have just NOT started the war in the first place, huh? You start a war, then you steal food and claim it's for a good cause...

Russia ain't winning btw, and any compensation is not going to come so Russia can enjoy being a pariah for next century.

[PhaelixWW]

Saving grain from being destroyed in war is net good.

I bet the Nazis said something similar when they were plundering priceless historical works of art and bringing them back to Germany.

"Better we steal it than we destroy it" doesn't have the humanitarian sentiment you're pretending it does.

[Dontrike]

There are clear problems with seed dependency. We'll see how critical is that going to be - but as far as i'm aware those areas aren't currently sanctioned.

But yields elsewhere will be impacted by fertilizer shortages too.

When you're banned here do you lose some of your pay or do they put you on a different website to shill some more? Do you get a choice of websites or do they tell you?

[Shalcker]

Could have just NOT started the war in the first place, huh? You start a war, then you steal food and claim it's for a good cause...

War is consequence of many decisions that made perfect sense to both sides - and both sides thought their cause is just.

Failure to resolve this contradiction in other ways is failure of modern political system.

[Saradain]

War is consequence of many decisions that made perfect sense to both sides - and both sides thought their cause is just.

Failure to resolve this contradiction in other ways is failure of modern political system.

War is a consequence of your Putler just deciding Ukraine must die and be wiped out, from existence in history and the world alike. Now at the turning point of history, more and more western countries will join NATO and then you have China east of you - one side exists solely to contain your threat and the other only seeks to exploit your ever-crumbling country.

Works out pretty nicely to me. A damn shame Ukraine or any country have to pay such a price so we can contain your existential threat.

[Corvus]

Even Lukashenko realises things aren't going well, though he still tries to hedge his bets so not to upset Putler too much

[Shalcker]

War is a consequence of your Putler just deciding Ukraine must die and be wiped out, from existence in history and the world alike. Now at the turning point of history, more and more western countries will join NATO and then you have China east of you - one side exists solely to contain your threat and the other only seeks to exploit your ever-crumbling country.

Yes, war is also consequence of comic-book level of political thinking, with heroes and villains in place of strategic interests and imperial power struggles.

Works out pretty nicely to me. A damn shame Ukraine or any country have to pay such a price so we can contain your existential threat.

"Fight Russia to the last Ukrainian in Ukraine so that West doesn't have to fight Russia elsewhere".

"Yes, Ukrainians will suffer, but that is a sacrifice West is willing to make".

[Gabriel]

Yes, war is also consequence of comic-book level of political thinking, with heroes and villains in place of strategic interests and imperial power struggles.

"Fight Russia to the last Ukrainian in Ukraine so that West doesn't have to fight Russia elsewhere".

"Yes, Ukrainians will suffer, but that is a sacrifice West is willing to make".

Mind telling me who from west is forcing Ukraine to fight russia?

[Saradain]

Yes, war is also consequence of comic-book level of political thinking, with heroes and villains in place of strategic interests and imperial power struggles.

"Fight Russia to the last Ukrainian in Ukraine so that West doesn't have to fight Russia elsewhere".

"Yes, Ukrainians will suffer, but that is a sacrifice West is willing to make".

Nope, didn't say that. Just you trying desperately act like the good guy when in reality your country is purest evil like last seen in WW2.

Right now it's looking like russians are running out of meat shields so you desperately have to recruit random syrians to die for you

Almost eerie to think about that Finland wouldn't even need to join NATO at this point, russian army is beyond salvaging so just beating the shit out of your merry band of bandits, rapists, murderers, thieves would be easy peasy. But in the other hand, to ensure not a single actual human (and not orc) person would ever have to experience what your Isengard army is doing...

[Iphie]

Even Lukashenko realises things aren't going well, though he still tries to hedge his bets so not to upset Putler too much

When you start to lose Belarus it may be time to rethink..

Here's a summary from AP:

https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...24883705684b7f

Lukashenko also said it would be “unacceptable” to use nuclear weapons, but he couldn’t say if Russia has such plans.

“Not only is the use of nuclear weapons unacceptable because it’s right next to us — we are not across the ocean like the United States. It is also unacceptable because it might knock our terrestrial ball flying off the orbit to who knows where,” Lukashenko said.

Ever the pragmatist.

[Shalcker]

Mind telling me who from west is forcing Ukraine to fight russia?

Even willing sacrifices are still sacrifices.

West is feeding into their false sense of superiority and delusions of Ukrainian grandeur.

[Twdft]

War is consequence of many decisions that made perfect sense to both sides - and both sides thought their cause is just.

Failure to resolve this contradiction in other ways is failure of modern political system.

War doesn't happen naturally as a consequence of some series of events. This war happened because Vladolf Putler gave the order to invade Ukraine.

ruSSia could have just not invaded.

[Gabriel]

Even willing sacrifices are still sacrifices.

West is feeding into their false sense of superiority and delusions of Ukrainian grandeur.

So the West should let Ukraine be conquered by russia just so there would be less war?

[Skulltaker]

West is feeding into their false sense of superiority and delusions of Ukrainian grandeur.

Luckily, Russia only needs Russia to feed Russia's false sense of superiority and delusions of Russian grandeur. This army is so terrible that it could invade an empty town and still amass hundreds of casulties.

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So the West should let Ukraine be conquered by russia just so there would be less war?

Russia'd still lose thousands even if no-one fought back.

[Pann]

Even willing sacrifices are still sacrifices.

West is feeding into their false sense of superiority and delusions of Ukrainian grandeur.

Even for you this is disgusting!

The West is aiding Ukrainians to stop them being raped, murdered or enslaved by Russia.

[Mayhem]

Even for you this is disgusting!

The West is aiding Ukrainians to stop them being raped, murdered or enslaved by Russia.

You wrote liberated, freed, and rescued wrong. I somehow missed shalcker, his nonsense is on another level.

[Huehuecoyotl]

West is feeding into their false sense of superiority and delusions of Ukrainian grandeur.

Sorry, but it's the Russian military that are doing that. With their laughable tactics, supply line chaos, loss of tanks, loss of generals.

If Ukraine are starting to become "deluded" about their chances of winning this war, blame the Russian army. But you aren't going to do that, are you?

[Shalcker]

So the West should let Ukraine be conquered by russia just so there would be less war?

West could have backed off from Ukrainian NATO invitation - which everyone acknowledged wasn't going to happen anytime soon - to stave off immediate war.

But i'm determinist and so result we got is the only result we could get - and if we expected something else we were clearly wrong about surrounding conditions.

...mostly about leaders of many countries actually thinking and consulting appropriate experts before acting.

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Luckily, Russia only needs Russia to feed Russia's false sense of superiority and delusions of Russian grandeur. This army is so terrible that it could invade an empty town and still amass hundreds of casulties.

It fights Ukraine - which killed 70 "saboteurs" in Kiev the very first day of war after distributing weapons... none of them Russians.