Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Azadina]

Yes, war is also consequence of comic-book level of political thinking, with heroes and villains in place of strategic interests and imperial power struggles.

"Fight Russia to the last Ukrainian in Ukraine so that West doesn't have to fight Russia elsewhere".

"Yes, Ukrainians will suffer, but that is a sacrifice West is willing to make".

Blame west somewhere else. The reason Ukrainians are dying, are being raped, tortured and executed with arms bound, is because your terrorist shit buddies are doing it for your Führer Putin. That is the only reason. How about fucking stop doing it? Fuck off back to Russia.

[Crispin]

Even willing sacrifices are still sacrifices.

West is feeding into their false sense of superiority and delusions of Ukrainian grandeur.

What false sense? We've given the Ukranians a fraction of our military equipment, and Russia are completely ineffective.

It's clear to everyone now, that the Russian military is as terrible a state as the rest of the country.

[Saradain]

What is your source of Russians being in Kiev on 25th February to shoot anyone?

I posted several links of russian saboteurs murdering people in very same manner you claimed ukrainians did it. Did I ever say everything that russians did happened exactly on 25th of February, not 26th, 27th, 28th...?

Nice deflection bruh. All your "sources" are pro-russian bloggers and every single picture you link is 2 separate pictures merged into one, trying to draw a connection in between

Try to come up with actual proof yourself before you start arguing semantics based on things no one ever said.

Ukrainians said they shot them for being saboteurs on video from the scene.

AH yes, infallible proof. Someone speaking similar languages just saying "ukrainians did it" and it means it's a fact.

Let me find a russian speaking person (say, an ukrainian refugee in Finland possibly) - then I slap someone and make a video out of it with the said russian speaking person screaming "UKRAINIANS ARE USING VIOLENCE ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE!!!!"

Also, where does it say the saboteurs were actually ukrainians, not russians?

[Crispin]

What is your source of Russians being in Kiev on 25th February to shoot anyone?

Ukrainians said they shot them for being saboteurs on video from the scene.

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Have you looked at pictures that were passed as "mobile crematoriums"?

No I looked at the 2 pictures with 0 relevance to what you claimed. The pictures you linked could be from India for all I care.

Here's a picture of Hitler Putin, I'm sure that'll convince you that he's a Nazi pig

[Shalcker]

Copium is real. Western reputation will be fine, opposing and defying a genocidal empire wanting to erase a culture, a people from existence...In fact, the boogieman West should outright seize everything Russia owns outside of their borders. Russians don't think theft is a bad thing, or murdering, raping...I'm sure West could teach russians the same lesson, with just theft.

I think Indian - and Chinese - reluctance to join on your sanctions stems in large part exactly from many in West thinking that they are same genocidal empires wanting to erase people and cultures from existence (Muslims and Uighurs respectively), and that drives them closer to Russia.

...that's what unrestrained activism gets you.

[Flarelaine]

9th of May. His victory day might actually turn into ours (of MMOC) if Nazi Russia declares official war and needs to mobilize all capable men to war

Can't exactly say much else lest I risk an infraction...But less he posts here, the better. Adds nothing but propaganda to the mix and wastes moderator and other posters time alike.

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Just noting it before it becomes more pronounced.

[Elegiac]

I think Indian - and Chinese - reluctance to join on your sanctions stems in large part exactly from many in West thinking that they are same genocidal empires wanting to erase people and cultures from existence (Muslims and Uighurs respectively), and that drives them closer to Russia.

Said 'reluctance' is due to India having a long history of nonalignment and China is looking to maintain some links to Russia as avenues for exploiting the shit out of it, not them being 'driven closer'.

You do realise Russia's stated reasons for occupying Crimea and Donbas run directly counter to India and China's ideological bases for their policies regarding the Muslim minorities in their countries, yes? Maybe stop huffing the copium for a moment, rofl.

[Gabriel]

Wishing harm is generally frowned upon on MMO-C. Wishing harm on fellow posters, especially so.

Just noting it before it becomes more pronounced.

No no. We just wish he had job security.

[Shalcker]

Said 'reluctance' is due to India having a long history of nonalignment and China is looking to maintain some links to Russia as avenues for exploiting the shit out of it, not them being 'driven closer'.

You do realise Russia's stated reasons for occupying Crimea and Donbas run directly counter to India and China's ideological bases for their policies regarding the Muslim minorities in their countries, yes? Maybe stop huffing the copium for a moment, rofl.

Their energy and military needs add to their need to be free from potential Western blackmail if West decides that what it does with Russia is actually "new normal" rather then exception; and it's not like Russia - unlike West - is going to supply their rebels.

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I mean, Modi is pretty awful and China is actively committing genocide… soooo. Not really about “thinking” and more about basic recognition.

Proving my point.

[Saradain]

Wishing harm is generally frowned upon on MMO-C. Wishing harm on fellow posters, especially so.

Just noting it before it becomes more pronounced.

If only supporting a genocide would be equally frowned upon. At least we on MMO-C are special and protected class.

Also:

https://prnt.sc/MyTNMUSCT8Dr

Another deleted post by @Shalcker making outright propaganda claims, no russians in Kiev my ass.

[Elegiac]

Their energy and military needs add to their need to be free from potential Western blackmail if West decides that what it does with Russia is actually "new normal" rather then exception.

Wars of conquest being unacceptable under international law has been the norm for generations now, habibi, so there's no "if" - and both India and China are well aware of that fact.

You're the only ones who seem to be surprised about it.

[Shalcker]

Wars of conquest being unacceptable under international law has been the norm for generations now, habibi, so there's no "if" - and both India and China are well aware of that fact.

Taiwan is part of China though, clearly retaking it will not be "war of conquest"... doesn't mean West isn't going to protest very much over it though - like it currently does over Solomon Islands even though "every country has right to choose their alliances".

[Pann]

Their energy and military needs add to their need to be free from potential Western blackmail if West decides that what it does with Russia is actually "new normal" rather then exception; and it's not like Russia - unlike West - is going to supply their rebels.

I assume that both India and China know that they can avoid what has happened to Russia by simply deciding not to commit genocide on their neighbours.

And seriously do you really think that either of them will come your aid? I mean really? They'll wait until you're economically on your knees and then offer to buy your oil and gas for a very healthy discount.

[Elegiac]

Taiwan is part of China though, clearly retaking it will not be "war of conquest"

It would, as despite the formalities Beijing is well aware that it is de facto considered a separate country with de jure security agreements with other powers protecting its independence.

Moreover, it's irrelevant since the PRC is neither planning to conquer Taiwan nor do they have the material capacity to do so, so your assertion that Russia being punished for being shitheads regarding Ukraine is somehow going to push China closer to Russia remains ridiculous copium. The only thing China is going to offer you is a shackle through which they'll bleed you dry.

[MCMLXXXII]

Remember guys, the West is one entity, not a group of sovereign nations but a hivemind doing all the evil things happening in the world.

[MCMLXXXII]

It would, as despite the formalities Beijing is well aware that it is de facto considered a separate country with de jure security agreements with other powers.

Moreover, it's irrelevant since the PRC is neither planning to conquer Taiwan nor do they have the material capacity to do so, so your assertion that Russia being punished for being shitheads regarding Ukraine is somehow going to push China closer to Russia remains ridiculous copium.

But, but, but YUPPIE said so

[Kaleredar]

Taiwan is part of China though, clearly retaking it will not be "war of conquest"... doesn't mean West isn't going to protest very much over it though - like it currently does over Solomon Islands even though "every country has right to choose their alliances".

Speaking of alliances, how is Russia wagging their finger very angrily at Sweden and Finland not to join NATO working out?

Oh, it isn’t?

If Russia’s intent was to weaken NATO, they sure have expended a lot of money, people, equipment and regressed their economy to do the exact opposite of that.

Also, just to bring up the “only one person officially died on the warship” bit from earlier… maybe you believe that (I doubt it,) but the families of the sailors probably have some questions not being answered, seeing as every other source other than the Russian one (so, you know, the trustworthy ones) are saying hundreds of sailors went to the bottom of the Black Sea along with the warship Russia has no means of replacing.

Have they just been telling every one of the hundreds of families who lost their son, husband or father, that the one sailor lost was theirs, and just hoping none of the families ever talk to one another?

I’m sure those sailors would love to know that, not only did they die for nothing, but now their country is refusing to even acknowledge their pointless sacrifice.

But hey, at least you tacitly admitted that the ship wasn’t sunk in a storm. You’d best be careful, though. Between admitting that and saying what Russia is doing is a war, you’re running directly counterthetical to the official Russian position.

[Shalcker]

I assume that both India and China know that they can avoid what has happened to Russia by simply deciding not to commit genocide on their neighbours.

They cannot if West simply rewrites what it considers to be genocide on the fly.

And seriously do you really think that either of them will come your aid? I mean really? They'll wait until you're economically on your knees and then offer to buy your oil and gas for a very healthy discount.

They already do; it doesn't matter though when Western actions drive oil price above last several years even at discount.

Saudis will gladly take Western bonus you'll be overpaying to them, while Russia will be okay with sustainable price to friendly countries, strengthening the ties.

[Kaleredar]

It would, as despite the formalities Beijing is well aware that it is de facto considered a separate country with de jure security agreements with other powers protecting its independence.

Moreover, it's irrelevant since the PRC is neither planning to conquer Taiwan nor do they have the material capacity to do so, so your assertion that Russia being punished for being shitheads regarding Ukraine is somehow going to push China closer to Russia remains ridiculous copium. The only thing China is going to offer you is a shackle through which they'll bleed you dry.

As I remarked to him earlier… it’s adorable that he thinks China is in any way, shape or form looking out for Russian interests. I’m sure China would love Russia to believe that to be true.

[Elegiac]

As I remarked to him earlier… it’s adorable that he thinks China is in any way, shape or form looking out for Russian interests. I’m sure China would love Russia to believe that to be true.

I've said it before, but it remains hilarious to me that in the biggest twist of historical irony China is going to do to Russia what Russia did to the Ottoman Empire.