Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Edge-]

Russia might or might not be responsible

There's just no way we could know who was responsible for massacring thousands of civilians in mass-graves during the Russian military occupation of Bucha! No way at all! It could have been Ukrainian Nazi's! Or antifa! Probably BLM!

[Saradain]

Russia might or might not be responsible; but if investigation isn't finished how can you claim it proved your point?

Maybe you shouldn't lie.

Russia is responsible, that is why we introduce more sanctions. We don't need to wait for a formal investigation when we find mass graves of hundreds of civilians in russian-occupied area with no ukrainian army presence at the time. You really really want to deny facts, that's why you get banned, and I don't!

[Rasulis]

Putin apologizes to Bennett for Lavrov's comments

He probably does not want to see Israeli's weapons in Ukraine. I am sure some Israelis would consider supplying weapons to the Ukranian an act of balancing the scale after decades of Russia supplying PLO, Fatah and Hamas with weapons.

[Saradain]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ers-in-ukraine

This just in too. I guess the oppression of minorities in Russia wasn't enough, they are all massively closeted orcs going all-in with war crimes.

[Iphie]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ers-in-ukraine

This just in too. I guess the oppression of minorities in Russia wasn't enough, they are all massively closeted orcs going all-in with war crimes.

*Just* in, that's from May 3rd...but I didn't know they'd be equal opportunity violators.

[Poopymonster]

The Ukrainians rebels need to be liberated from the West, even if it kills them.

I guess.

It's sounds almost like Americans during Desert Storm.
We've liberated your cities, we've liberated your roads, we've liberated your people.
But you blew everything up, cities, roads, people...
It's for your own good. Hush now or we'll liberate you.

[Mayhem]

"West has nothing (extra) to offer to China/India but threats, unlike Russia".

Bold stance to take considering that Russia is in a war of aggression with one of its neighbors right now.

[Saradain]

*Just* in, that's from May 3rd...but I didn't know they'd be equal opportunity violators.

My bad, saw it as most recent article on finnish news websites - and went for the source within...

Some here would say it's fake news because I got the date wrong!

[Shalcker]

Russia is responsible, that is why we introduce more sanctions. We don't need to wait for a formal investigation when we find mass graves of hundreds of civilians in russian-occupied area with no ukrainian army presence at the time. You really really want to deny facts, that's why you get banned, and I don't!

You can have your minute of hatred without me.

[Mayhem]

As does the west. You said this would be something extra they can offer. Not the same or worse shit.

To be fair, worse is something else.

[Specialka]

You can have your minute of hatred without me.

You can't even give source that would exonarate russian army ? Bar RT or pro russia blogger .

[Saradain]

You can have your minute of hatred without me.

Next time we are without your infinite wisdom (Kremlin-approved!) it'll be tad longer, if not permanent. Not like one can feel much else but hatred for someone who wholeheartedly supports a genocide. Like you.

But you don't have an argument, ever, so you either ignore posts or post something without meaning like just now!

[Shalcker]

You can't even give source that would exonarate russian army ? Bar RT or pro russia blogger .

Exonerate what exactly?

I went through one of articles he linked. It had about 15 people allegedly killed total; only half of them with names.

I can easily accept that each of them was potentially killed by Russian or Chechen troops, perhaps even in circumstances described; what would be the point of denying it?

[Saradain]

Exonerate what exactly?

I went through one of articles he linked. It had about 15 people allegedly killed total; only half of them with names.

I can easily accept that each of them was potentially killed by Russian or Chechen troops, perhaps even in circumstances described; what would be the point of denying it?

15 in total? If one of my links had that as total body count of Bucha genocide, I'll happily re-check if I searched for something untrue! Do tell me, which one of my links claimed 15 casualties only?

[Specialka]

Exonerate what exactly?

I went through one of articles he linked. It had about 15 people allegedly killed total; only half of them with names.

I can easily accept that each of them was potentially killed by Russian or Chechen troops, perhaps even in circumstances described; what would be the point of denying it?

You know we are talking about far more than those 15 deads ?

[Shalcker]

15 in total? If one of my links had that as total body count of Bucha genocide, I'll happily re-check if I searched for something untrue! Do tell me, which one of my links claimed 15 casualties only?

Not "15 casualties only" - "about 15 casualties described in article". It makes no claim on overall figure.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates...ings-soldiers/

If one of your articles does better job showing killings at scale that warrants genocide claim, please point it out.

[Saradain]

Not "15 casualties only" - "about 15 casualties described in article". It makes no claim on overall figure.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates...ings-soldiers/

If one of your articles does better job showing killings at scale that warrants genocide claim, please point it out.

Right from that link:

"Reacting to reports of the more than 400 deaths in Bucha, U.S. President Joe Biden denounced Putin as a “war criminal.”"

I call it a genocide, official sources seem to use the word "massacre".

I call it a genocide because russian orcs are targeting civilians, including children, with rapes and murders, and their main goal seems to collectively be wiping out Ukraine in culture and existence alike. That's why I personally will call it a genocide.

[Shalcker]

You know we are talking about far more than those 15 deads ?

What do you think is the point of investigation?

You were the one saying that French investigators arrived there; do they have any results available yet?

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Right from that link:

"Reacting to reports of the more than 400 deaths in Bucha, U.S. President Joe Biden denounced Putin as a “war criminal.”"

Noone denies people died in Bucha.

What do you think is being investigated there?

[Saradain]

What do you think is the point of investigation?

You were the one saying that French investigators arrived there; do they have any results available yet?

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Noone denies people died in Bucha.

What do you think is being investigated there?

The extent of the massacre/genocide of course. We know russian army did it. We just have the horror of finding out how vastly they tortured the victims and how many more are to come from other cities as russian orcs withdraw screaming.

[Shalcker]

The extent of the massacre/genocide of course. We know russian army did it.

Show me official results of investigation to that end then. That's the claim from which we started; you keep dodging it.