1. #18881
    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Sorry, maybe I was unclear. I'm gonna ask your opinion - how do you think all those bodies that were found in Bucha ended up there in mass graves? With hands tied behind the backs, with execution-like gunshot wounds? With sexual violence-like damages for the women and children?

    I am not associated with the International Criminal Court. And I don't need to be, in order to find the vast amount of proof that happened in Bucha. Investigation is not complete, since that is your goal at the moment, trying to say that because it's not finished, Russia is not responsible.
    Russia might or might not be responsible; but if investigation isn't finished how can you claim it already proven your point?

    Maybe you shouldn't lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Russia might or might not be responsible; but if investigation isn't finished how can you claim it proved your point?

    Maybe you shouldn't lie.
    the genocide denier has logged in

    bro you can't even accept the truth about mh17, skripal or syrian chemical weapon attacks post investigation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Russia might or might not be responsible
    There's just no way we could know who was responsible for massacring thousands of civilians in mass-graves during the Russian military occupation of Bucha! No way at all! It could have been Ukrainian Nazi's! Or antifa! Probably BLM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Russia might or might not be responsible; but if investigation isn't finished how can you claim it proved your point?

    Maybe you shouldn't lie.
    Russia is responsible, that is why we introduce more sanctions. We don't need to wait for a formal investigation when we find mass graves of hundreds of civilians in russian-occupied area with no ukrainian army presence at the time. You really really want to deny facts, that's why you get banned, and I don't!

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    Putin apologizes to Bennett for Lavrov's comments

    He probably does not want to see Israeli's weapons in Ukraine. I am sure some Israelis would consider supplying weapons to the Ukranian an act of balancing the scale after decades of Russia supplying PLO, Fatah and Hamas with weapons.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ers-in-ukraine

    This just in too. I guess the oppression of minorities in Russia wasn't enough, they are all massively closeted orcs going all-in with war crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ers-in-ukraine

    This just in too. I guess the oppression of minorities in Russia wasn't enough, they are all massively closeted orcs going all-in with war crimes.
    *Just* in, that's from May 3rd...but I didn't know they'd be equal opportunity violators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    The Ukrainians rebels need to be liberated from the West, even if it kills them.

    I guess.
    It's sounds almost like Americans during Desert Storm.
    We've liberated your cities, we've liberated your roads, we've liberated your people.
    But you blew everything up, cities, roads, people...
    It's for your own good. Hush now or we'll liberate you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    "West has nothing (extra) to offer to China/India but threats, unlike Russia".
    Bold stance to take considering that Russia is in a war of aggression with one of its neighbors right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    *Just* in, that's from May 3rd...but I didn't know they'd be equal opportunity violators.
    My bad, saw it as most recent article on finnish news websites - and went for the source within...

    Some here would say it's fake news because I got the date wrong!

  11. #18891
    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Russia is responsible, that is why we introduce more sanctions. We don't need to wait for a formal investigation when we find mass graves of hundreds of civilians in russian-occupied area with no ukrainian army presence at the time. You really really want to deny facts, that's why you get banned, and I don't!
    You can have your minute of hatred without me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    As does the west. You said this would be something extra they can offer. Not the same or worse shit.
    To be fair, worse is something else.
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    You can have your minute of hatred without me.
    You can't even give source that would exonarate russian army ? Bar RT or pro russia blogger .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    You can have your minute of hatred without me.
    Next time we are without your infinite wisdom (Kremlin-approved!) it'll be tad longer, if not permanent. Not like one can feel much else but hatred for someone who wholeheartedly supports a genocide. Like you.

    But you don't have an argument, ever, so you either ignore posts or post something without meaning like just now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    You can't even give source that would exonarate russian army ? Bar RT or pro russia blogger .
    Exonerate what exactly?

    I went through one of articles he linked. It had about 15 people allegedly killed total; only half of them with names.

    I can easily accept that each of them was potentially killed by Russian or Chechen troops, perhaps even in circumstances described; what would be the point of denying it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Exonerate what exactly?

    I went through one of articles he linked. It had about 15 people allegedly killed total; only half of them with names.

    I can easily accept that each of them was potentially killed by Russian or Chechen troops, perhaps even in circumstances described; what would be the point of denying it?
    15 in total? If one of my links had that as total body count of Bucha genocide, I'll happily re-check if I searched for something untrue! Do tell me, which one of my links claimed 15 casualties only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Exonerate what exactly?

    I went through one of articles he linked. It had about 15 people allegedly killed total; only half of them with names.

    I can easily accept that each of them was potentially killed by Russian or Chechen troops, perhaps even in circumstances described; what would be the point of denying it?
    You know we are talking about far more than those 15 deads ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    15 in total? If one of my links had that as total body count of Bucha genocide, I'll happily re-check if I searched for something untrue! Do tell me, which one of my links claimed 15 casualties only?
    Not "15 casualties only" - "about 15 casualties described in article". It makes no claim on overall figure.
    https://www.reuters.com/investigates...ings-soldiers/

    If one of your articles does better job showing killings at scale that warrants genocide claim, please point it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Not "15 casualties only" - "about 15 casualties described in article". It makes no claim on overall figure.
    https://www.reuters.com/investigates...ings-soldiers/

    If one of your articles does better job showing killings at scale that warrants genocide claim, please point it out.
    Right from that link:

    "Reacting to reports of the more than 400 deaths in Bucha, U.S. President Joe Biden denounced Putin as a “war criminal.”"

    I call it a genocide, official sources seem to use the word "massacre".

    I call it a genocide because russian orcs are targeting civilians, including children, with rapes and murders, and their main goal seems to collectively be wiping out Ukraine in culture and existence alike. That's why I personally will call it a genocide.
    Last edited by Saradain; 2022-05-05 at 05:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    You know we are talking about far more than those 15 deads ?
    What do you think is the point of investigation?

    You were the one saying that French investigators arrived there; do they have any results available yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Right from that link:

    "Reacting to reports of the more than 400 deaths in Bucha, U.S. President Joe Biden denounced Putin as a “war criminal.”"
    Noone denies people died in Bucha.

    What do you think is being investigated there?

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