Russian invasion of Ukraine

[ABEEnr2]

While it has been seen on Twitter, where it was dismissed as a rumour, I wouldn't use 9gag as a reliable source.

There's also nothing that I can see on more reliable sources and this allegedly happened over 8 hours ago.

We will see since it's always chat places it get reported first, same thing happened with Moskva

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

Russia has redefined Nazism after Lavrov's outburst. It no longer is anti-semetic - its anti-slavic and anti-russian.

Considering what program it had in its historical form, those were all aspects of it.

While modern historiography heavily emphasizes the Jews, and more recently the gays receive a mention, Roma and Slavs were put in the same basket, with the scheduled and partially implement displacement/enslavement/elimination of like 50 millions of the latter (Poles, Serbs, Ukrainians, Russians...).

[Iphie]

We will see since it's always chat places it get reported first, same thing happened with Moskva

Seeing ONE report now, but no cause given. We'll see.

[Zaydin]

To put things into perspective.

While it is not mentioned, the big players in NATO, despite all the goodwill they might display, after Centuries of colonialism, crushing popular uprisings and propping up genocidal dictators, really accumulated bad rep in a big chunk of the World, while at the same time the Soviet Union and later Russia positioned itself as a helping liberating hand and a friend.

Yes, Russia was such a great liberator almost all of their European 'allies' ran to NATO for protection after the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its corrupt institutions.

[zorkuus]

Yes, Russia was such a great liberator almost all of their European 'allies' ran to NATO for protection after the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its corrupt institutions.

You have to read between the lines. They liberated people of their liberty.

[Collegeguy]

think we mentioned this before but the demographics of Russia mean alot of the people at war a likely the only child. When these 25k dead dont come home its gonna hurt alot. not to mention the 50k + injured. Saw a bunch of legless troops getting medals from some russian officer yday, all looked very happy....

Does this mean there will be more mail order Russian brides?

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

Yes, Russia was such a great liberator almost all of their European 'allies' ran to NATO for protection after the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its corrupt institutions.

I am not referring to Eastern Europe, but the rest of the World, which was mostly colonized and/or subjected to meddling and proxy wars by the likes of France, U.K. and U.S., to an extent to this very day.

It might come as shocking to some, but the U.S. and/or Europe are not universally perceived as the center of the World. In most parts of it, Ukraine does not warrant more interest than Myanmar, Syria, Yemen, Ethiopia or Congo to name a few, beside the obvious impact on their livelihoods.

[zorkuus]

think we mentioned this before but the demographics of Russia mean alot of the people at war a likely the only child. When these 25k dead dont come home its gonna hurt alot. not to mention the 50k + injured. Saw a bunch of legless troops getting medals from some russian officer yday, all looked very happy....

A lot of these soldiers come from the poor cannon fodder parts of russia. The powers that be will just bury the information. And people in places like Moscow probably wouldn't care much anyway. The only way a high number of casualties would matter is if they help in propaganda.

[Mihalik]

Lula Talks to TIME About Ukraine, Bolsonaro, and Brazil's Fragile Democracy



To put things into perspective.

While it is not mentioned, the big players in NATO, despite all the goodwill they might display, after Centuries of colonialism, crushing popular uprisings and propping up genocidal dictators, really accumulated bad rep in a big chunk of the World, while at the same time the Soviet Union and later Russia positioned itself as a helping liberating hand and a friend.

Lula is being a fucking idiotic tankie here. This "talk more" shit is fucking dumb. Talk more to whom and what? What are you going to talk about with the fascist lunatic who literally denies your right to exist.

This is akin to the fucktards in the US who do the whole "good people on both sides" thing.

I already spoke about this before. The Western countries should frankly make it clear to fence sitters like Lula and Modi etc that this little bullshit they are pulling now will be remembered next time we sit down to discuss aid and trade.

[Iphie]

Lula is being a fucking idiotic tankie here. This "talk more" shit is fucking dumb. Talk more to whom and what? What are you going to talk about with the fascist lunatic who literally denies your right to exist.

This is akin to the fucktards in the US who do the whole "good people on both sides" thing.

I already spoke about this before. The Western countries should frankly make it clear to fence sitters like Lula and Modi etc that this little bullshit they are pulling now will be remembered next time we sit down to discuss aid and trade.

Modi agreed with Macron to try and take a more active role in mediating, we'll see if that works out.

[Mihalik]

I am not referring to Eastern Europe, but the rest of the World, which was mostly colonized and/or subjected to meddling and proxy wars by the likes of France, U.K. and U.S., to an extent to this very day.

It might come as shocking to some, but the U.S. and/or Europe are not universally perceived as the center of the World. In most parts of it, Ukraine does not warrant more interest than Myanmar, Syria, Yemen, Ethiopia or Congo to name a few, beside the obvious impact on their livelihoods.

That's fine and dandy until the Russians go full Russian and burn the grain fields half those countries depend on for their own food security, ruin the energy markets they depend on for their energy security and start a nuclear war, cuz Russia Stronk.

It's great not to give a fuck about the minutiae of little things like ethnic cleansing and Russian imperialism, but the effects of this conflict do have real, tangible global consequences because UNFORTUNATELY Europe still is pretty much the center of the world, and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

So when Europe gets mildly uncomfortable and somewhat concerned millions will fucking starve in Ethiopia, Yemen, Congo etc unless Europe/West can be motivated into giving enough of a fuck to do something about it.

[Specialka]

So it seems the Russian have made one more of their boat evolve to a submarine. Any info about that ?

[Iphie]

So it seems the Russian have made one more of their boat evolve to a submarine. Any info about that ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2072761.html

Most recent I could find

[Azadina]

So when Europe gets mildly uncomfortable and somewhat concerned millions will fucking starve in Ethiopia, Yemen, Congo etc unless Europe/West can be motivated into giving enough of a fuck to do something about it.

It may sound very cold hearted, but how about Russia deals with it's own mess. If millions are starving, perhaps they can ask Russia why that is. Russias terrorist campaign is causing massive cost for western world as it is. I don't agree with bailing out the entire rest of the world too. Make Russia do that.

[Mihalik]

It may sound very cold hearted, but how about Russia deals with it's own mess. If millions are starving, perhaps they can ask Russia why that is. Russias terrorist campaign is causing massive cost for western world as it is. I don't agree with bailing out the entire rest of the world too. Make Russia do that.

My point was rather that this whole "We don't care it's not our business" shtick doesn't work and it's disconnected from reality.

Furthermore as Russia is neither willing, interested or capable of helping, although at minimum they should stop making the problems worse, it also doesn't work for countries that are reliant on the West to oppose or fence sit on this.

That's why I was saying, it's OK if you don't give a fuck about the war crimes, genocide, etc, the moral and ethical component, but it is also not in your economic and national and local social self interest to refuse to give a fuck.

[Corvus]

Latest insanity from Russian spokesorcs - Poland is a threat to Ukrainian territorial integrity.

[Makabreska]

Latest insanity from Russian spokesorcs - Poland is a threat to Ukrainian territorial integrity.

10/10 attempt at putting a wedge between allies.

[zorkuus]

Latest insanity from Russian spokesorcs - Poland is a threat to Ukrainian territorial integrity.

Nevermind that one country that invaded Ukraine.

[Iphie]

Zelensky outlines possible peace deal concessions

Zelensky outlines possible peace deal concessions
The Ukrainian president says that he would accept a peace deal in which Russian troops returned to the positions they held the day before the fully-fledged invasion began in February.

When asked by the BBC's Frank Gardner what the "minimum" concession from Russia would be in return for peace, Zelensky responded: "A return of Russian forces to where they were on 23 Feb."

"But for this to happen there needs to be diplomatic dialogue," he added. "From our side, not all the diplomatic bridges have been burnt."

Zelensky did not specifically mention Crimea, which was annexed by Russia in 2014 - but his response signals a willingness to acknowledge Russian control of the peninsula as part of a peace settlement.

It's also not clear what this would mean for the areas of Donetsk and Luhansk in Ukraine's east which have been partly under the control of pro-Russian separatist since 2014 too.

It's unlikely russia will go for this but this might represent a way to get back to diplomacy.

[Kaleredar]

Zelensky outlines possible peace deal concessions



It's unlikely russia will go for this but this might represent a way to get back to diplomacy.

It’s also probably pretty necessary for Ukraine to quickly secure some sort of defense agreement with the EU.

Russia clearly can’t be trusted to keep its word unless the threat of force exists to compel them to.