1. #19341
    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Eh, maybe Russians can't build chips as good as Western ones, but a tractor does not need to be anything more than mechanical.
    what if said parts rely on western made parts?

  2. #19342
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    what if said parts rely on western made parts?
    Even if there are Western-made parts somewhere down the line, they will not impact Russian food production for years to come. Tractors are built to last decades and Russian hardware is generally capable of lasting that long, given proper maintenance.

  3. #19343
    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Eh, maybe Russians can't build chips as good as Western ones, but a tractor does not need to be anything more than mechanical.
    Sure. The whole topic of arguing whether russia can build agricultural equipment is null anyway. They can survive by tightening their belts like they've always done throughout history.

  4. #19344
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    ...are you including the number that Ukrainian farmers stole from the Russian military?
    Sure, you can add them, that doesn't change overall picture.

    We could also add armor Ukrainians sold or left in the field for DNR/LNR too.

    Who said they were running out of missiles? Nobody had any doubt that Russia had enormous stockpiles of expired things to lob at civilian targets.
    "you wouldn't be using it if you had enough normal missiles left" implies people do think Russia doesn't have enough for two months of low-intensity strikes.

    What's in doubt is their... ability to keep their economy running, their ability to find suitable oil markets they can actually deliver to before OPEC, the US, or China ships it their faster, their ability to feed their troops, their ability to not have their warships distracted by drones and get sent to the bottom of the black sea resulting in hundreds and hundreds of Russian soldier deaths, their ability to actually repair equipment, their ability to fix faltering supply lines...
    Okay, let's go point-by point:
    • Economy is running just fine (RUB/USD is currently at 66.28 at MOEX), some imports are actually going down in price accordingly
    • You don't need to "deliver before OPEC" because there is going to be oil shortage given that OPEC+ was already struggling with planned production increases and you want to knock out entire Russian exports; and increase in prices means even lower volumes at significant discounts potentially provide higher profits then old "business as usual".
    • Even if we would ignore Russia being net food exporter - haven't you heard about hundreds of thousands tons of grain being taken from Ukraine? Those mobile bread ovens (that some mistaken for mobile crematoriums) are going to be busy.
    • Official number is one dead and 29 missing if i remember correctly. It's war, you cannot win every time.
    • Things do get repaired; we've seen pictures of trains with damaged equipment going back to Russia.
    • Where exactly are those "faltering lines"? Ukrainians don't seem to make any progress in Donbass region while Russians are slowly moving ahead.

  5. #19345
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Sure, you can add them, that doesn't change overall picture.

    We could also add armor Ukrainians sold or left in the field for DNR/LNR too.

    "you wouldn't be using it if you had enough normal missiles left" implies people do think Russia doesn't have enough for two months of low-intensity strikes.


    Okay, let's go point-by point:
    • Economy is running just fine (RUB/USD is currently at 66.28 at MOEX), some imports are actually going down in price accordingly
    • You don't need to "deliver before OPEC" because there is going to be oil shortage given that OPEC+ was already struggling with planned production increases and you want to knock out entire Russian exports; and increase in prices means even lower volumes at significant discounts potentially provide higher profits then old "business as usual".
    • Even if we would ignore Russia being net food exporter - haven't you heard about hundreds of thousands tons of grain being taken from Ukraine? Those mobile bread ovens (that some mistaken for mobile crematoriums) are going to be busy.
    • Official number is one dead and 29 missing if i remember correctly. It's war, you cannot win every time.
    • Things do get repaired; we've seen pictures of trains with damaged equipment going back to Russia.
    • Where exactly are those "faltering lines"? Ukrainians don't seem to make any progress in Donbass region while Russians are slowly moving ahead.
    oh lol....... the whataboutism in this post is so strong.

    So you admit your stealing the food from ukranians? and lol those mobile crematoriums are being called mobile bread ovens now?

  6. #19346
    Mmmmm corpse-meat-pies made with stolen grain. Damn it feels good not to be a russian soldier.

  7. #19347
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    how long did it take to push the orcs out of the kyiv area?
    It took negotiations that Ukrainians are refusing to consider right now.

  8. #19348
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    It took negotiations that Ukrainians are refusing to consider right now.
    ah yes just like the VDV negotiated their way out of hostomel loooool

    the only negotations russians are doing that tried to go the kyiv are with st peter at the pearly gates
    Last edited by jonnysensible; 2022-05-05 at 09:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    It took negotiations that Ukrainians are refusing to consider right now.
    The Russian soldiers near Kyiv were being "negotiated" away from their positions with Ukrainian shells and bullets.

    Let's be real here, if Russia could've held onto their gains in the north threatening Kyiv, they absolutely would have.

  10. #19350
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    It took negotiations that Ukrainians are refusing to consider right now.
    Nah, it took about a month of kicking the Russians around Kyiv before they decided it was too hard to take all of Ukraine and retreated to their current positions.

  11. #19351
    the moskova did a negotiated withdrawal

  12. #19352
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    oh lol....... the whataboutism in this post is so strong.

    So you admit your stealing the food from ukranians?
    Ukrainians claim that; and there are videos of truck columns with "z" on them allegedly transporting it.

    and lol those mobile crematoriums are being called mobile bread ovens now?
    Here you can see them at work

  13. #19353
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Ukrainians claim that; and there are videos of truck columns with "z" on them allegedly transporting it.

    Here you can see them at work
    Wow. Just wow.

  14. #19354
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    ah yes just like the VDV negotiated their way out of hostomel loooool

    the only negotations russians are doing that tried to go the kyiv are with st peter at the pearly gates
    How are your energy bills going?

    Given that EU plans to invoke their energy security measures gas and oil deliveries to UK from Norway are at risk.

  15. #19355
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    How are your energy bills going?

    Given that EU plans to invoke their energy security measures gas and oil deliveries to UK from Norway are at risk.
    rather live with higher energy bills than in a fascist state

    just voted in free elections 20 mins ago
    Last edited by jonnysensible; 2022-05-05 at 09:25 AM.

  16. #19356
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    rather live with higher energy bills than in a fascist state
    You can get both though.

  17. #19357
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    You can get both though.
    ???? I'm not moving to russia

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    Any bets how long Shillcker will last this time?
    I say 27 hours after this mornings first post
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Take that haters.
    IF IM STUPID, so is Donald Trump.

  19. #19359
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    ???? I'm not moving to russia
    Higher prices in UK aren't going to hurt Putin; if anything they help him.

    ---

    On another note Russia still hasn't defaulted on debt - even US-denominated:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rocesses-funds

    I guess this particular "threat" isn't going to play anytime soon.

  20. #19360
    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Even if there are Western-made parts somewhere down the line, they will not impact Russian food production for years to come. Tractors are built to last decades and Russian hardware is generally capable of lasting that long, given proper maintenance.
    If there's one a sector that could have a substantial impact on agriculture, it would be the seed imports of all things, at least as far as yield are concerned.

    Russia and China have been trying to reduce their dependency on these aspects, but I assume they are still far from 100% independent.
    "Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outwards, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendent, and to embrace them is to achieve enlightenment."

    ~ Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang on Essays on Mind and Matter

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