1. #19581
    Continuing my daily shit on fire in Russia posting.
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...k-mystery-fire
    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV..._kursk_russia/
    Black smoke as mysterious fire rages at Russian facility close to Ukraine border

  2. #19582
    Quote Originally Posted by Mamut View Post
    I read few pages of the discussion from today and what I noticed about Shalcker is that he ignore every question like this one because at this point with all the evidence he can't deny it so instead he focus on other things and twist everything to support Russian propaganda.

    Like someone before said, he will just lie, blame others and if it fails deny everything.
    Yup. I still bomb him with the questions about it though, so that while he can dodge, dodge, dodge, it's there for him to see; awaiting an explanation. Seems he didn't last long this time though, and is banned again.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

  3. #19583
    Russia has redefined Nazism after Lavrov's outburst. It no longer is anti-semetic - its anti-slavic and anti-russian.

  4. #19584
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Russia has redefined Nazism after Lavrov's outburst. It no longer is anti-semetic - its anti-slavic and anti-russian.
    Is that properly transtaled, when she says "Antisemitism against Russians" ? If it is, then it's probably one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

  5. #19585
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Is that properly transtaled, when she says "Antisemitism against Russians" ? If it is, then it's probably one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
    Russian TV makes Fox look almost sane in comparison.

  6. #19586
    People are saying new ship went down

    BREAKING : Multiple sources are confurming that russian ship Admiral Makarov, third frigate of the Admiral Grigorovich class of the Russian Navy is been hut by Neptune anti-ship missile and is currently sinking in Black Sea.
    Not sure if it's true or not but we got to wait and sea

  7. #19587
    Speaking of ships, the father of a conscript on the Moskva tried to find out what happened to his son. The official reply said the ship was not in Ukrainian waters, was not taking part in the 'special operation ', during an incident his son went missing and they have no idea where he is. Too bad, so sad, no compensation for you. Okay they didn't actually say that last part but it's implied.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/...075174913?s=21

  8. #19588
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Speaking of ships, the father of a conscript on the Moskva tried to find out what happened to his son. The official reply said the ship was not in Ukrainian waters, was not taking part in the 'special operation ', during an incident his son went missing and they have no idea where he is. Too bad, so sad, no compensation for you. Okay they didn't actually say that last part but it's implied.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/...075174913?s=21
    think we mentioned this before but the demographics of Russia mean alot of the people at war a likely the only child. When these 25k dead dont come home its gonna hurt alot. not to mention the 50k + injured. Saw a bunch of legless troops getting medals from some russian officer yday, all looked very happy....

  9. #19589
    Lula Talks to TIME About Ukraine, Bolsonaro, and Brazil's Fragile Democracy

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    And now, sometimes I sit and watch the President of Ukraine speaking on television, being applauded, getting a standing ovation by all the [European] parliamentarians. This guy is as responsible as Putin for the war. Because in the war, there's not just one person guilty. Saddam Hussein was as guilty as Bush [for the outbreak of the 2003 Iraq war]. Because Saddam Hussein could have said, "You can come here and check and I will prove that I do not have mass destruction weapons." But he lied to his people. And now, this President of Ukraine could have said, "Come on, let's stop talking about this NATO business, about joining the E.U. for a while. Let's discuss a bit more first."

    So Volodomyr Zelensky should have talked to Putin more, even with 100'000 Russian troops at his border?

    I don't know the President of Ukraine. But his behavior is a bit weird. It seems like he's part of the spectacle. He is on television morning, noon, and night. He is in the U.K. parliament, the German parliament, the French parliament, the Italian parliament, as if he were waging a political campaign. He should be at the negotiating table.

    Can you really say that to Zelensky? He didn't want a war, it came to him.

    He did want war. If he didn't want war, he would have negotiated a little more. That's it. I criticized Putin when I was in Mexico City [in March], saying that it was a mistake to invade. But I don't think anyone is tryingg to help create peace. People are stimulating hate against Putin. That won't solve things! We need to reach an agreement. But people are encouraging [the war]. You are encouraging this guy [Zelensky], and then he thinks he is the cherry on your cake. We should be having a serious conversation : "OK, you were a nice comedian. But let us not make war for you to show up on TV" And we should say to Putin : "You have a lot of weapons, but you don't need to use them on Ukraine. Let's talk!"

    What do you think of Joe Biden?

    I actually made a speech praising Biden when he announced his economic program. The problem is it's not enough to announce the program, you've got to execute it. And I think Biden is going through a difficult moment.

    And I don't think he has taken the right decision on the war between Russia and Ukraine. The U.S. has a lot of political clout. And Biden could have avoided [the war], not incited it. He could have talked more, participated more. Biden could have taken a plane to Moscow to talk to Putin. This is the kind of attitude you expect from a leader. To intervene so that things don't go off the rails. I don't think he did that.

    Should Biden have made concessions to Putin?

    No. In the same way that the Americans persuaded the Russians not to put missiles in Cuba in 1961, Biden could have said : "We're going to speak a bit more. We don't want Ukraine in NATO, full stop." That's not a concession. Let me tell you something : if I were President of Brazil and they said to me, "Brazil can join NATO", I'd say no.

    Why?

    Because I'm a guy who only thinks about peace, not war.[...] Brazil doesn't have disputes with any country : not with the U.S., not China, nor Russia, nor Bolivia, nor Argentina, nor Mexico. And the fact that Brazil is a peaceful country will allow us to reestablish the relationships we created between 2003 and 2010. Brazil will once again become a protagonist on the world stage, because we will prove it's possible to have a better world.
    To put things into perspective.

    While it is not mentioned, the big players in NATO, despite all the goodwill they might display, after Centuries of colonialism, crushing popular uprisings and propping up genocidal dictators, really accumulated bad rep in a big chunk of the World, while at the same time the Soviet Union and later Russia positioned itself as a helping liberating hand and a friend.
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  10. #19590
    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang View Post
    Lula Talks to TIME About Ukraine, Bolsonaro, and Brazil's Fragile Democracy



    To put things into perspective.

    While it is not mentioned, the big players in NATO, despite all the goodwill they might display, after Centuries of colonialism, crushing popular uprisings and propping up genocidal dictators, really accumulated bad rep in a big chunk of the World, while at the same time the Soviet Union and later Russia positioned itself as a helping liberating hand and a friend.
    Would have worked if it was not Bolsonaro, Mini Putin himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang View Post
    Lula Talks to TIME About Ukraine, Bolsonaro, and Brazil's Fragile Democracy

    To put things into perspective.

    While it is not mentioned, the big players in NATO, despite all the goodwill they might display, after Centuries of colonialism, crushing popular uprisings and propping up genocidal dictators, really accumulated bad rep in a big chunk of the World, while at the same time the Soviet Union and later Russia positioned itself as a helping liberating hand and a friend.
    Ask those countries that Russia "liberated" and "befriended" how keen they are on Russia right now.

    Like... Ukraine, for example. I imagine their opinion of Russia isn't very high right now.


    As for "Biden should have talked Putin down, and told Ukraine it couldn't join NATO so there wouldn't have been a war..." yeah, that wouldn't have accomplished anything. This was never about nazis or chemical plants, or really about NATO in the immediate sense (other than serving as a deterrent should other countries consider joining... a notion that has failed spectacularly.)

    This was a bald land-grab from Russia who, seeing itself falter on the world stage, has tried this ill-informed, ill-conceived hurrah of an invasion to try and propel themselves back into the spotlight. Which, in a sense, they did... but not in the way they were likely anticipating, now that "Russian soldier" is now ranked lower in international repute than "Ukrainian farmer"
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  12. #19592
    Quote Originally Posted by ABEEnr2 View Post
    People are saying new ship went down



    Not sure if it's true or not but we got to wait and sea
    Putting the Makarov within range of any Ukraine's missile batteries would be the height of stupidity. Especially with USAF RQ-4 Global Hawk surveillance drones tracking Russian's ships movement in the Black Sea round the clock and feeding those info to the Ukrainian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABEEnr2 View Post
    People are saying new ship went down



    Not sure if it's true or not but we got to wait and sea
    While it has been seen on Twitter, where it was dismissed as a rumour, I wouldn't use 9gag as a reliable source.

    There's also nothing that I can see on more reliable sources and this allegedly happened over 8 hours ago.
    Last edited by Iphie; 2022-05-06 at 07:40 AM.

  14. #19594
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Russia has redefined Nazism after Lavrov's outburst. It no longer is anti-semetic - its anti-slavic and anti-russian.
    If nazism is simply anti-russian, then I'm nazi for sure. Come get me ruskies.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

  15. #19595
    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    If nazism is simply anti-russian, then I'm nazi for sure. Come get me ruskies.
    In that case most of europe is nazi then...

  16. #19596
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    While it has been seen on Twitter, where it was dismissed as a rumour, I wouldn't use 9gag as a reliable source.

    There's also nothing that I can see on more reliable sources and this allegedly happened over 8 hours ago.
    We will see since it's always chat places it get reported first, same thing happened with Moskva

  17. #19597
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Russia has redefined Nazism after Lavrov's outburst. It no longer is anti-semetic - its anti-slavic and anti-russian.
    Considering what program it had in its historical form, those were all aspects of it.

    While modern historiography heavily emphasizes the Jews, and more recently the gays receive a mention, Roma and Slavs were put in the same basket, with the scheduled and partially implement displacement/enslavement/elimination of like 50 millions of the latter (Poles, Serbs, Ukrainians, Russians...).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABEEnr2 View Post
    We will see since it's always chat places it get reported first, same thing happened with Moskva
    Seeing ONE report now, but no cause given. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang View Post

    To put things into perspective.

    While it is not mentioned, the big players in NATO, despite all the goodwill they might display, after Centuries of colonialism, crushing popular uprisings and propping up genocidal dictators, really accumulated bad rep in a big chunk of the World, while at the same time the Soviet Union and later Russia positioned itself as a helping liberating hand and a friend.
    Yes, Russia was such a great liberator almost all of their European 'allies' ran to NATO for protection after the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its corrupt institutions.
    "If you are ever asking yourself 'Is Trump lying or is he stupid?', the answer is most likely C: All of the Above" - Seth Meyers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Yes, Russia was such a great liberator almost all of their European 'allies' ran to NATO for protection after the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its corrupt institutions.
    You have to read between the lines. They liberated people of their liberty.

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