Russian invasion of Ukraine

[PhaelixWW]

Sssht, Yuppie is listening.

I mean... it's basically saying that Russian threats of nuclear weapons are just bluffs.

Not that YUP would understand that, I'm guessing, so... yeah.

[Santti]

Sssht, Yuppie is listening.

Yuppie is Abe Simpson, yelling at clouds. Or perhaps rather, pointing at the cat and yelling "DEATH!".

Being careful is a lost cause, is what I'm saying.

[XDurionX]

Yuppie is Abe Simpson, yelling at clouds. Or perhaps rather, pointing at the cat and yelling "DEATH!".

Being careful is a lost cause, is what I'm saying.

I was rather mocking him than "being careful", but we don't have do encourage him, do we?

[Makabreska]

Radio Free Europe reports that a total of 12 Russian recruitment centres got burned down since start of the war. Guess Russians don't feel like enlisting.

[Corvus]

The chief economist at the institute of international finance has said they expect the Russian economy to collapse by 30% by the end of the year and exports to Russia are down 50% since the same time last year

https://mobile.twitter.com/RobinBroo...23028623237120

[Skulltaker]

then how come in recent speeches he proclaims liberating all of Ukraine

It's called Propaganda. How are you this thick? How many people do you think you can rally with 'We're going to retake all logistically and strategically feasible parts of Ukraine which excludes Crimea, sorry to say!'?

[MCMLXXXII]

It's called Propaganda. How are you this thick? How many people do you think you can rally with 'We're going to retake all logistically and strategically feasible parts of Ukraine which excludes Crimea, sorry to say!'?

IIRC he was talking about the parts before February. Which excludes Crimea.

[jonnysensible]

looks like russian troops are storming Lyman today, i think they have air superiority there as well. Gonna be a rough day for the defenders.

[YUPPIE]

It's called Propaganda. How are you this thick? How many people do you think you can rally with 'We're going to retake all logistically and strategically feasible parts of Ukraine which excludes Crimea, sorry to say!'?

that's lying then. To be honest with you, off the topic of Putler for a moment, I've been very eyeful of this Zelenksy character.

He's won the favor of the entire world and was even named person of the year. If/when this war ends favorably for him, I just really want to believe he goes down the road of a real champion than suddenly betraying everyone's trust and/or going bad.

He's had plenty of faults before Ukraine that people are overlooking at the moment.

[jonnysensible]

that's lying then. To be honest with you, off the topic of Putler for a moment, I've been very eyeful of this Zelenksy character.

He's won the favor of the entire world and was even named person of the year. If/when this war ends favorably for him, I just really want to believe he goes down the road of a real champion than suddenly betraying everyone's trust and/or going bad.

He's had plenty of faults before Ukraine that people are overlooking at the moment.

such as? /10char

[Poopymonster]

such as? /10char

*cough*
HE GUNNA GIT US NOOKED! Y U NO SEE IT!? IT HABBENING! Y U NO STAHP HIM?

[MCMLXXXII]

such as? /10char

Same sources Shillcker has I guess...

[Flarelaine]

Bla bla bla bla, Turkey is significantly more important to NATO than Sweden and Finland combined. Cope.

Debatable. Turkey got in to bottle up the Soviets in one sea. Now Sweden and Finland can help bottle Russia up in another. The importance is comparable. And while their armies may be weaker then Turkey's separately, together they probably pack as much a punch.

Having said all that, Turkey is still important and will not be given short shrift over this.

[YUPPIE]

such as? /10char

Ukraine was corrupt as fuck even before this war, read into how much of an issue that was. And while no one gives a fuck now evidently, Zelensky made sure to repress any Russian affluence in Ukraine, which Putler claims was "genocide" so he could do his evil invasion.

Now he's also forcing all men into conscription on the darker side, regardless of how they feel.

Also, while he's all up in arms with Biden now, he blatantly thought Trump was a fucking moron and piece of shit. Who knows what he actually thinks of America and whether his loyalty will waver.

[Shadowferal]

Sweden and Finland is too good of message to Russia to pass up.

[Lynarii]

that's lying then. To be honest with you, off the topic of Putler for a moment, I've been very eyeful of this Zelenksy character.

He's won the favor of the entire world and was even named person of the year. If/when this war ends favorably for him, I just really want to believe he goes down the road of a real champion than suddenly betraying everyone's trust and/or going bad.

He's had plenty of faults before Ukraine that people are overlooking at the moment.

Yes, Zelensky has faults. It's called being a human being, which surprisingly enough most humans are. They're not black and white either insane psychopaths or angels, like you seem to believe. Just like Putin isn't looking to destroy the world on top of himself, Zelensky is not a paragon of goodness that can do no wrong. When the war is over there WILL be things he stands for and does that we don't much like. Same as EVERY OTHER LEADER ON EARTH. Don't be surprised by this, none of us will be.


Edit: And Trump is a moron and a piece of shit. Zelensky's opinions on Biden and Trump are his opinions on two US leaders, neither of them really define his opinion of 'the US'. I am lukewarm on Biden and despised Trump. I despair for a lot of the things that are happening in the US right now. But I still care deeply for the country I was born and raised in, and want to see it prosper, because like most reasonable people I'm capable of being critical of something I love.

[YUPPIE]

Yes, Zelensky has faults. It's called being a human being, which surprisingly enough most humans are. They're not black and white either insane psychopaths or angels, like you seem to believe. Just like Putin isn't looking to destroy the world on top of himself, Zelensky is not a paragon of goodness that can do no wrong. When the war is over there WILL be things he stands for and does that we don't much like. Same as EVERY OTHER LEADER ON EARTH. Don't be surprised by this, none of us will be.

i think comparing zelenksy to putin is kind of an ill comparison because one is just a "nominal hero" kind of guy and the other is absolute evil, black as pitch.

[Ivanstone]

i think comparing zelenksy to putin is kind of an ill comparison because one is just a "nominal hero" kind of guy and the other is absolute evil, black as pitch.

And yet, one is your ideal leader and the other played the piano with his dick.

[Kallisto]

that's lying then. To be honest with you, off the topic of Putler for a moment, I've been very eyeful of this Zelenksy character.

It's a rallying call. Every nation under the sun does it when they're at war. Propaganda is a tool where if you're not using it then you're not fighting hard enough. Russia, Ukraine, hell even NATO countries are doing it.

You know those leaked calls where we hear the worst of the Russians? That's propaganda, but they are also true. Propaganda isn't always lying. Hell, most of the time it isn't. It is selective truths. How many calls are not being leaked where both sides of the call are "GTFO of there." or just ordinary soldiers calling home?

Or when we are shown the craziest of Russian tv talking about doing the worst? That's also propaganda to Russia and also to us.

When it comes to Zelensky you have to ask when he is speaking "What's his audience?" when it is a rallying call it's to the people of Ukraine, when it is more neutral tone it is towards the community unless he's after something then he might make a more intense speech and rhetoric.

He wants Ukraine back, but if you read what he says outside of rallying calls he's always talking about taking Ukraine in a peace deal, not in a pitched battle. Because the latter is suicide. It took the Germans half a year to take Servastepol. Those forts are still there and the place even at the best of times was one of the few parts of Ukraine that leaned to Russia. Now it's fully within Russian sphere as those who didn't want to be part of Russia fled. It would be the meat grinder and well within black sea fleet firing range.

[Skulltaker]

that's lying then. To be honest with you, off the topic of Putler for a moment, I've been very eyeful of this Zelenksy character.

He's won the favor of the entire world and was even named person of the year. If/when this war ends favorably for him, I just really want to believe he goes down the road of a real champion than suddenly betraying everyone's trust and/or going bad.

He's had plenty of faults before Ukraine that people are overlooking at the moment.

No, it's not. It's politics. If you don't understand that, that's 100% a 'you' problem.