Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

(Narrator: Neither of these statements are true.)

I think flying a nuclear bomber over a country's sky is not saber rattling. That shit should be a declaration of war on the spot considering the current events. I couldn't even believe what I read and it was only a few hours ago. Context from another article on the news:

Japan says it scrambled fighter jets on Tuesday to respond to the approach of Russian and Chinese warplanes near its airspace, in what Tokyo called a “provocation” as it hosts a meeting of world leaders including Joe Biden.

Addressing a virtual press conference, Japanese defence minister Nobuo Kishi said that the move by Beijing and Moscow was likely planned to coincide with Japan’s hosting of the Quad meeting with its allies the US, Australia and India.

Tokyo is hosting its first ever informal gathering of Quad nations, which has seen leaders of all four nations — Fumio Kishida, Joe Biden, Anthony Albanese and Narendra Modi — meeting in the city.

Mr Kishi said Japan has expressed “grave concerns” to Russia and China over the movement of warplanes threatening its airspace, reported AFP.

He added that at least two Chinese bombers joined two Russian bombers in the Sea of Japan and “made a joint flight to the East China Sea.”

"After that, a total of four aircraft, two presumed (new) Chinese bombers – which replaced the two Chinese bombers – and two Russian bombers, conducted a joint flight from the East China Sea to the Pacific Ocean," the defence minister said.

[PhaelixWW]

I think flying a nuclear bomber over a country's sky is not saber rattling.

That didn't happen. They flew over international waters in the Sea of Japan. They didn't violate Japanese airspace.

And there's no indication that they were carrying nuclear weapons. They were just nuclear-capable bombers. So, like... a whole bunch of aircraft models.

[YUPPIE]

That didn't happen. They flew over international waters in the Sea of Japan. They didn't violate Japanese airspace.

And there's no indication that they were carrying nuclear weapons. They were just nuclear-capable bombers. So, like... a whole bunch of aircraft models.

regardless of what you might think or assume of the bombers, this is more and more proof China is not throwing Russia under the bus like people wanted to believe. That is a huge deal because they can easily keep funding Russia's war in Ukraine whereas most of the world is hoping they'll bleed out.

[PhaelixWW]

regardless of what you might think or assume of the bombers, this is more and more proof China is not throwing Russia under the bus like people wanted to believe.

Nobody expects or believes that China is going to "throw Russia under the bus". There is no "absolute unity" there, though, no matter how you want to twist it. China, as expected, is trying to straddle the fence. They'll do enough to try to keep both sides appeased without committing themselves to one side or another.

[Corvus]

Meanwhile back in reality, where people take their meds, Russia has another ex-general. Actually, he was already an ex-general before he was killed, so I guess that makes him an ex-ex-general.

The Ukrainians shot down an SU-25 the other day. The pilot, it turns out, was a 63 year old retired Russian air force general who had previously been in trouble for illegal joyrides in fighter jets, one of which he destroyed in a crash. He might actually have been flying for Wagner - yeah, a mercenary group operates advanced military jets, which really tells you just how 'independent' it really is from the Russian government.

[Gref]

lol Turkish President Erdoğan announces that he plans to create a 30km deep 'Safe Zone' along the Syria/Turkish border. This will involve invading the remaining Kurdish held areas of the Turkish border.

all our turk posters crying about sweden and finland into nato, hows this?

Will you take all themillions of syrians breeding like crazy and living like parasites in Turkey? I watch daily interviews with common people. They are frothing with rage. THey overstayed their stay in Turkey. Everybody is complaining how they are getting money without doing any job with the turkish taxpayers money, how education and healthcare is free while turkish has to pay for it. Mind you it is not a few hundred but we are talking about over 4 million syrians.

erdo is a scumbag of course and his plan will not work. i don't know where he wants that project but I am all for making their houses, infrastructure and shit so that they can gtfo of turkey. people are getting really really furious and erdo wont be the president anymore starting from next year. he and his whole family will escape from turkey after their election loss not to be thrown into prison.

[Kaleredar]

Meanwhile back in reality, where people take their meds, Russia has another ex-general. Actually, he was already an ex-general before he was killed, so I guess that makes him an ex-ex-general.

The Ukrainians shot down an SU-25 the other day. The pilot, it turns out, was a 63 year old retired Russian air force general who had previously been in trouble for illegal joyrides in fighter jets, one of which he destroyed in a crash. He might actually have been flying for Wagner - yeah, a mercenary group operates advanced military jets, which really tells you just how 'independent' it really is from the Russian government.

Ahem, let me simulate a response:

"BuT WoNT KIllINg RUSsIAN GenERALs JuST MaKe PuTIN wANt to DrOP MOAR NUKEZ????!??!1?"

[Kallisto]

regardless of what you might think or assume of the bombers, this is more and more proof China is not throwing Russia under the bus like people wanted to believe. That is a huge deal because they can easily keep funding Russia's war in Ukraine whereas most of the world is hoping they'll bleed out.

China is throwing Russia under the bus. Just not in the way you think. The more Russia bleeds, the more its military looks impotent, the longer the fight goes and it harms the economy, the more Russia will have to come to terms it's not the big boy in their relationship. The more it will have to fall into China's sphere. China's "help" to Russia is self serving, harmful to Russia and at best will make it China's Canada.

[YUPPIE]

China is throwing Russia under the bus. Just not in the way you think. The more Russia bleeds, the more its military looks impotent, the longer the fight goes and it harms the economy, the more Russia will have to come to terms it's not the big boy in their relationship. The more it will have to fall into China's sphere. China's "help" to Russia is self serving, harmful to Russia and at best will make it China's Canada.

well today the U.S also forced Russia to default no matter what. Who knows how they'll react to that one after trying to avoid being cornered financially at all costs

[Crispin]

well today the U.S also forced Russia to default no matter what. Who knows how they'll react to that one after trying to avoid being cornered financially at all costs

They'll try to avoid the worst consequences, by using the energy and grain they sit on. Not lob nukes at countries, because it'll achieve nothing.

[zealo]

Is Henry Kissinger giving out hot-takes again?

Probably, dude is still alive although he doesn’t have that long left being almost 99.

[Iphie]

Apparently the Azovstal fighters are being kept in 'satisfactory' conditions.

I'll say I'm surprised, earlier there was Dutch news that the leader of the Donetsk separatists had invited western and other foreign observers to the trials as well. I guess they want some legitimacy.

[Kaleredar]

Apparently the Azovstal fighters are being kept in 'satisfactory' conditions.

I'll say I'm surprised, earlier there was Dutch news that the leader of the Donetsk separatists had invited western and other foreign observers to the trials as well. I guess they want some legitimacy.

What "crime" are they being charged with, exactly? Defying Russia's attempt to invade their country?

"we find the defenders illegal occupiers of this steel mill in Ukraine built by soviet hands illegally impeded Russia's naturalized right to do whatever the fuck we want to whoever we want, however we want de-nazify or fight the CIA chemical plants or have access to borscht recipes or whatever the fuck in a sovereign country our former territory that we really think we deserve back."

[Corvus]

What "crime" are they being charged with, exactly? Defying Russia's attempt to invade their country?

"we find the defenders illegal occupiers of this steel mill in Ukraine built by soviet hands illegally impeded Russia's naturalized right to do whatever the fuck we want to whoever we want, however we want de-nazify or fight the CIA chemical plants or have access to borscht recipes or whatever the fuck in a sovereign country our former territory that we really think we deserve back."

No doubt they will be charged with being 'nazis', though that isn't exactly a crime in Russia given just how many of them are there already.

[Iphie]

What "crime" are they being charged with, exactly? Defying Russia's attempt to invade their country?

"we find the defenders illegal occupiers of this steel mill in Ukraine built by soviet hands illegally impeded Russia's naturalized right to do whatever the fuck we want to whoever we want, however we want de-nazify or fight the CIA chemical plants or have access to borscht recipes or whatever the fuck in a sovereign country our former territory that we really think we deserve back."

That seems the likely thing. Well, I suppose being part of a prohibited terrorist organisation? Anyway as much as I have my reservations with the Azov Battalion I'm glad that they are being treated decently, I'm not sure what to make of it.

[PhaelixWW]

What "crime" are they being charged with, exactly? Defying Russia's attempt to invade their country?

They wouldn't be put on trial by Russia, they'd be put on trial by DPR. The Azov regiment has spent the last 8 years fighting against the separatists in Donbas; the separatists have accused them of all sorts of crimes during that time.

Whether or not those crimes are actually true is, I'm sure, entirely irrelevant to them.

[Kaleredar]

They wouldn't be put on trial by Russia, they'd be put on trial by DPR. The Azov regiment has spent the last 8 years fighting against the separatists in Donbas; the separatists have accused them of all sorts of crimes during that time.

Whether or not those crimes are actually true is, I'm sure, entirely irrelevant to them.

I’m sure if certain posters were here they’d be telling us all about how terrible the warcrimes the defenders definitely committed were and how they were all certainly nazis and western lies are making us all sympathize with war criminal nazis.

And in the same breath they’d tell us how it was impossible to know if Russia committed any war crimes in Ukraine because no official Russian sources exist to say they did and that it’s all just probably Western propaganda.

[Corvus]

Seems like China might be starting to feel the effects of the war, as the foreign minister called for the international community to advance a ceasefire and for access to Ukraine's grain exports.

They really should be telling Russia to pull out, but it is a start.

[PhaelixWW]

Seems like China might be starting to feel the effects of the war, as the foreign minister called for the international community to advance a ceasefire and for access to Ukraine's grain exports.

They really should be telling Russia to pull out, but it is a start.

But... but... YUPPERS promised us that China and Russia were, like, in "absolute unity". Absolunity? Hrm, whatever. Totes besties 4evah, either way.

Are you saying that the YIPS was wrong? But how can that be? He's a prophet, haven't you heard?

[MCMLXXXII]

But... but... YUPPERS promised us that China and Russia were, like, in "absolute unity". Absolunity? Hrm, whatever. Totes besties 4evah, either way.

Are you saying that the YIPS was wrong? But how can that be? He's a prophet, haven't you heard?

Russia and China are bEsTiEs