1. #20981
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    To protect Russia from what?
    The NATO boogeyman, who however didnt use the war as an excuse to attack Russia. Everyone with half a brain realises that NATO has no ambitions of a war with Russia, apparently Shalcker has less than that.

  2. #20982
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Is Russia gonna sink more of their vessels to own the west?
    Submarine blockade due to wreckages. Russian tactics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Rail transport to Kaliningrad is subject to international agreement too - which is broken by Lithuanian actions.
    Ukrainian territorial integrity is subject to international agreements too - which is broken by Russian actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    The NATO boogeyman, who however didnt use the war as an excuse to attack Russia. Everyone with half a brain realises that NATO has no ambitions of a war with Russia, apparently Shalcker has less than that.
    I've been saying it for some time now, but NATO is just an excuse. Just like the "nazis" were.

    Putin made it all too obvious what all of this is, when he compared himself to Peter The Great, and how he is taking the lands back that rightfully belong to Russia.

    Your talking points need updating, Shillcker.
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  5. #20985
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Do you think someone who is fed on a diet of state propaganda, who spends hour after hour defending lie after lie on an obscure gaming forum, has the clearest understandings of the situation?
    I think it is worth seeing all sides of propaganda, Western and Russian, and note yourself where they lie and where they are later proven to be right.

    "Clearest understanding of situation" through fog of war - economic or kinetic - from comfort of your own chair is impossible, but some glimpses of truth are attainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    To protect Russia from what?
    Why do you protects Ukrainians? Because they, allegedly, subscribe to your own values and want to join you.

    Same thing goes for Donbass-Russia relationship.

  6. #20986
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Why do you protects Ukrainians? Because they, allegedly, subscribe to your own values and want to join you.
    No, because Russia invaded a sovereign nation.

    Who was Ukraine invading that required Russia to start a 3-day special operation that's now in its fourth month?

  7. #20987
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    It’s still a cheap price to see Russia go down mate, whatever deficits it’ll cause, will still look like nothing compared to 2008, we’ll recover, you wont lol.
    Except so far Russia rakes cash and even overtaken Saudis as top Chinese supplier.

    But thanks for pushing the green agenda.
    Promote "green agenda" by restarting coal power plants? West is destroying it as we speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    No, because Russia invaded a sovereign nation.
    If you're stuck on that point then because Russia (and Donbass) sees 2014 as illegal Western-inspired coup.

    And because sovereignty has practical limits (see Cuban Missile Crisis).

    Who was Ukraine invading that required Russia to start a 3-day special operation that's now in its fourth month?
    Plenty of countries invaded this century didn't invade anyone themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    I think it is worth seeing all sides of propaganda, Western and Russian, and note yourself where they lie and where they are later proven to be right.
    But you don't. You support Russian lie after Russian lie and this is yet more of your usual obfuscation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Why do you protects Ukrainians? Because they, allegedly, subscribe to your own values and want to join you.

    Same thing goes for Donbass-Russia relationship.
    We aren't protecting Ukraine. We're giving them the support to stop you committing genocide against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post

    If you're stuck on that point then because Russia (and Donbass) sees 2014 as illegal Western-inspired coup.
    hard not to see the parallels your espousing to the ones used to justify operation mongoose against Cuba after it's socialist revolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Except so far Russia rakes cash and even overtaken Saudis as top Chinese supplier.
    ...for one month.

    YTD, Saudi Arabia is still higher in total. Even in terms of YTD change (not just total) Russia is actually lower than many others: Saudia Arabia, Iraq, Angola, Malaysia, and UAE all have higher % increases YTD shipping to China.

    And to even get the one month boost, Russia has had to discount their gas to below what it was selling for prior to the invasion. So no, it's not so good for Russia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    But you don't. You support Russian lie after Russian lie and this is yet more of your usual obfuscation.




    We aren't protecting Ukraine. We're giving them the support to stop you committing genocide against them.
    Shillcker really needs to update his talking points, cause even Russia officially isn't trying to beat around the bush this much by now.

    Russia by their own admission even dropped a statement that they have deported as many as almost 2 million Ukrainians and more than 300,000 Ukrainian children to Russia since February. That was just 3 days ago now.

  12. #20992
    Lithuania has double down on its 'special transportation operation' in response to Russia threats. Pootie complaining about sanctioned goods not being able to be moved by rail? Well screw you, it applies to trucks now too.

    Meanwhile Estonia's defence ministry has accused Russia of multiple border violations by helicopters.

    And Snake Island is the gift that keeps on giving - satellite imagery reveals fires burning and scorch marks on the ground. Something was hit there but so far no details on what exactly went down.

    Plus one of the oil rigs Ukraine hit is still on fire too.
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  13. #20993
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    But you don't. You support Russian lie after Russian lie and this is yet more of your usual obfuscation.
    I said "seeing", i said nothing about "supporting".

    You see plenty of examples of people here perfectly willing to endure hardships to benefit of their country/ideology - and yet you're incredulous at Russians daring to do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    And to even get the one month boost, Russia has had to discount their gas to below what it was selling for prior to the invasion. So no, it's not so good for Russia.
    It's still higher price then a year ago, and way beyond profitability margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    I said "seeing", i said nothing about "supporting".

    You see plenty of examples of people here perfectly willing to endure hardships to benefit of their country/ideology - and yet you're incredulous at Russians daring to do the same.
    Yeah, no one gives a flying fuck what you say. You are literally paid to lie to people, based on fucking propaganda from the Kremlin.

  15. #20995
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    Russia by their own admission even dropped a statement that they have deported as many as almost 2 million Ukrainians and more than 300,000 Ukrainian children to Russia since February. That was just 3 days ago now.
    That's Ukrainian "translation", not Russian admission; actual Interfax article they link to says 1.9 million were evacuated from Ukraine to Russia, including 307 thousand kids.

    Given how many people try to escape war and have relatives and friends in Russia (including Crimea), this number isn't surprising.

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    "This is all the West's fault, Russia is just trying to protect its territory by invading sovereign nations!"

    Man if I ever need a daily dose of bad takes all I need to do is check out Shilcker posts in this thread. He also seems to forget that countries aren't invaded into NATO, they willingly sign up. But of course Russian state propaganda is pushing the NATO boogeyman pretty hard.
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  17. #20997
    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    "This is all the West's fault, Russia is just trying to protect its territory by invading sovereign nations!"
    No matter what was Russian initial goal Russia is trying to do many things now after all that transpired.

    Man if I ever need a daily dose of bad takes all I need to do is check out Shilcker posts in this thread. He also seems to forget that countries aren't invaded into NATO, they willingly sign up. But of course Russian state propaganda is pushing the NATO boogeyman pretty hard.
    What you are saying is pure and ancient propaganda too; so much so i'm sure you're perfectly aware of usual rebuttals, so there are no need to repeat them.

    How does Swedish and Finnish "signing up" going so far, btw? Doesn't seem like that much of propaganda win now.

  18. #20998
    so I received several outlandish headlines claiming stories of Putin's granddaughter getting pregnant and sanctions for Putin's family abroad.

    It made me realize he has family abroad, living in Western states, under relatively non-confidential or obscure profiles

    why haven't we evicted them all (granted, they have tried to deport them) or, you know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    It's still higher price then a year ago, and way beyond profitability margin.
    Not really, not when you consider inflation.

    And you're selling less.

    And you have other sanctions.

    And you're taking massive losses in Ukraine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    so I received several outlandish headlines claiming stories of Putin's granddaughter getting pregnant and sanctions for Putin's family abroad.

    It made me realize he has family abroad, living in Western states, under relatively non-confidential or obscure profiles

    why haven't we evicted them all (granted, they have tried to deport them) or, you know...
    Collective punishment is shunned for a reason; seeing West slide back into it is quite emblematic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Not really, not when you consider inflation.
    Even with inflation. You can check.

    And you're selling less.
    Selling less for more profit while Western costs pile up? Looks like more of a win to me.

    And you have other sanctions.
    Oil and gas aren't sanctioned at the moment; even Europe still buys them.

    And you're taking massive losses in Ukraine.
    If you believe Ukrainians. And if you believe Russians then Ukrainian forces lose x10 more (in match to Ukrainian claims of having x10 less artillery).

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