Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Endus]

really don't in an authentic way, man. If you were protesting a dictator and some secret police force came by and tortured you for a day before letting you go with a warning, are you gonna protest again? Hypothetically speaking.

I don't think so.

I sure wouldn't be stopping at protesting, at that point, I guess. If it comes down to supporting such a regime and its violent abuses, or opposing it, I'll take the latter.

The alternative is essentially saying that their torturing me was the right thing to do and I support them having done so. Which is obviously unreasonable.

THAT's why I just pin all the blame on Putin.

Literally no different than trying to blame the whole blame for the Nazi Reich on Hitler and not the millions of Germans who slavishly supported his regime.

Sometimes, it's okay to recognize that Nazi fucks were Nazi fucks.

[YUPPIE]

by the logic of you guys, Navalny is the ultimate badass despite being a pretty bad person.

Guy got poisoned, marched back into his country, has been tortured for some 1.5 years and is still going to oust Putin.

[Veggie50]

by the logic of you guys, Navalny is the ultimate badass despite being a pretty bad person.

Guy got poisoned, marched back into his country, has been tortured for some 1.5 years and is still going to oust Putin.

You can be a badass without being a good/great person.

[Edge-]

by the logic of you guys, Navalny is the ultimate badass despite being a pretty bad person.

Guy got poisoned, marched back into his country, has been tortured for some 1.5 years and is still going to oust Putin.

Nobody has claimed he's a saint. Welcome to the world of morality, there are lots of shades of grey.

[DarkTZeratul]

Nobody has claimed he's a saint. Welcome to the world of morality, there are lots of shades of grey.

War is hell. Everyone is at least some shade of fucked up, even the people who are ostensibly the good guys.

[Ripster42]

by the logic of you guys, Navalny is the ultimate badass despite being a pretty bad person.

Guy got poisoned, marched back into his country, has been tortured for some 1.5 years and is still going to oust Putin.

Nice strawman. The logic goes "Navalny isn't a nazi in this metaphor" not "is the ultimate badass".

[YUPPIE]

I mean in conclusion, I just genuinely don't believe you guys mean what you say when you claim you're gonna go all-out striking if you were tortured or oppressed by a dictator. Navalny even has the privilege of being unable to be killed by Putin despite everything he's gone through.

You only live once and these regimes won't think twice about killing you, a normal pedestrian.

Well, that's why I at least pity the Russian people. Most people have just all-out considered them one in the same now. Doesn't matter who you are.

[Ripster42]

You only live once and these regimes won't think twice about killing you, a normal pedestrian.

And here you are, acting as their cheerleader.

[Veggie50]

I mean in conclusion, I just genuinely don't believe you guys mean what you say when you claim you're gonna go all-out striking if you were tortured or oppressed by a dictator. Navalny even has the privilege of being unable to be killed by Putin despite everything he's gone through.

You only live once and these regimes won't think twice about killing you, a normal pedestrian.

Well, that's why I at least pity the Russian people. Most people have just all-out considered them one in the same now. Doesn't matter who you are.

300.000 russian men have fled to foreign countries, outside putins grasp.

I don’t see them protesting from safety either.

[Kralljin]

really don't in an authentic way, man. If you were protesting a dictator and some secret police force came by and tortured you for a day before letting you go with a warning, are you gonna protest again? Hypothetically speaking.

The problem with this is the simple fact that if you chose to resist once that leader is entrenched into the system that they can just throw you into prison without cause, it's too late to be effective unless a huge chunk of the population also rises up.

It's like going to the Dentist when you wake up at night because your teeth hurt like hell, it's way too fucking late to get out of this number painlessly.

And while the West certainly carries quite the blame in enabling Putin, it's the job of the Russian people first and foremost to take care of their democracy at the end of the day.
They didn't do that and now the rest of the world, especially Ukraine, is suffering the consequences for it - and just like with bad teeth, that shit won't come out painlesssly.

[Twdft]

I mean in conclusion, I just genuinely don't believe you guys mean what you say when you claim you're gonna go all-out striking if you were tortured or oppressed by a dictator. Navalny even has the privilege of being unable to be killed by Putin despite everything he's gone through.

You only live once and these regimes won't think twice about killing you, a normal pedestrian.

Well, that's why I at least pity the Russian people. Most people have just all-out considered them one in the same now. Doesn't matter who you are.

If Iranian teenage girls can do it, so can you.

Also, open a history book if you are in school already. Eastern Europe about 30 years ago.

[YUPPIE]

but I mentioned the Iran revolt. They're just getting slaughtered right now, and no one in the West is going to help them.

[Twdft]

The difference is that you only think about yourself, while those Iranian schoolgirls think about their country.

[Ripster42]

The difference is that you only think about yourself, while those Iranian schoolgirls think about their country.

Yuppie is pro-dictator. Their avatar yesterday was putin. Their signature celebrates them. Their posting history is a litany of fawning over them.

[Endus]

I mean in conclusion, I just genuinely don't believe you guys mean what you say when you claim you're gonna go all-out striking if you were tortured or oppressed by a dictator. Navalny even has the privilege of being unable to be killed by Putin despite everything he's gone through.

You only live once and these regimes won't think twice about killing you, a normal pedestrian.

Well, that's why I at least pity the Russian people. Most people have just all-out considered them one in the same now. Doesn't matter who you are.

You're doing nothing here but expressing your own endorsement for such authoritarian abuses, admitting openly that you'd be a collaborator.

And that you can't understand why anyone else wouldn't.

And that's just really kind of sad.

[YUPPIE]

You're doing nothing here but expressing your own endorsement for such authoritarian abuses, admitting openly that you'd be a collaborator.

And that you can't understand why anyone else wouldn't.

And that's just really kind of sad.

Nah just can't see why people don't really pity pedestrians not wanting to die. I mean yeah it's brave and all, but no one is denying the Iranian protestors are being shredded right now. It'd be the same for the Russian people that'd try.

And also, I blame the West as well. If we really cared about what's right, we'd arm these uprisings and protestors. But we don't.

And then there's the matter of the aftermath. Say the Russians rip apart Putin after dragging him out, what happens then? It'd just be anarchy like Ghadaffi.

Like there's no good outcome. So trying to start a revolution isn't always so great.

[Endus]

Nah just can't see why people don't really pity pedestrians not wanting to die. I mean yeah it's brave and all, but no one is denying the Iranian protestors are being shredded right now. It'd be the same for the Russian people that'd try.

People were already dying, dude. That's the point, and what you willfully ignore because you'd rather be comfortable.

And also, I blame the West as well. If we really cared about what's right, we'd arm these uprisings. But we don't.

It's nearly impossible to arm insurgencies within authoritarian regimes. Because of the authoritarian regime. It's not comparable to Ukraine, because there's a whole lot of easy ways to deliver materiel directly to Ukraine, because it's a sovereign nation unto itself and Russia does not control its borders.

And then there's the matter of the aftermath. Say the Russians rip apart Putin after dragging him out, what happens then? It'd just be anarchy like Ghadaffi.

Such anarchy's often preferable to the boot on your neck. It's also much easier for external influence to be applied at that point. You're acting like successful revolutions don't happen, and that's just obviously false.

[Santti]

Yuppie is pro-dictator. Their avatar yesterday was putin. Their signature celebrates them. Their posting history is a litany of fawning over them.

Why the fuck does anyone give him any attention is beyond me. He made it abundantly clear that he is not to be taken seriously about anything years ago. You know the saying about playing chess with pigeons.

You tell me which is worse; the pigeon, or the guy insisting on trying to play chess with it, for gods knows how long, when every attempt has resulted in shit.

[Ripster42]

Why the fuck does anyone give him any attention is beyond me. He made it abundantly clear that he is not to be taken seriously about anything years ago. You know the saying about playing chess with pigeons.

You tell me which is worse; the pigeon, or the guy insisting on trying to play chess with it, for gods knows how long, when every attempt has resulted in shit.

The real question is, "Why is that account still active and allowed to make posts?"

[Kallisto]

If Iranian teenage girls can do it, so can you.

Also, open a history book if you are in school already. Eastern Europe about 30 years ago.

So what about the logic of being alive at all costs is the one thing that all humans should pursue.