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    So let me get this straight.

    If she was talking about ARTHAS - That would mean everything post her turning on Arthas is completely 100% her Choice. Meaning absolutely no reason for a redemption arc as she is truly Evil.
    If she was talking about THE JAILER - that would mean everything she ever did was pointless to her progression as a Character the moment she became a Banshee which means Sylvanas as she has been known the entire time People have been playing WoW is completely void. And makes the Redemption arc a massive copout to try and Salvage a character long past their due removal as there would be no need for a redemption arc for a Character with zero Character growth.

    Either way Sylvanas is a shit Character to try a redemption arc for.

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    She's supposedly free from Zovaal's domination and has her soul whole again, yet she still sounds angry, hateful and vile.

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    Obviously they writing storys that are "epic" for the wide audience, that is not writing in forums whats good/bad makes no sense or whatever. They just built plotpoints that you could sell, doesnt matter if there are a bunch of lorefans like you criticise it on fan websites xD

    How can you expect a red line in such a big, long living universe where leaders are changed over all the years?

    Maybe you should start just enyoing it, rather then whining about everything and talking bad about a person, just cause u are disappointed by the story he wanna tell.

    I can understand, that you are pissed, but my gosh, this forum is just mimimi in every fcking thread. so annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merin View Post
    You ever wonder if the employees are simply trashing the game to spite Activision?

    I mean, I know it isn't true but at least then something would make sense.
    There actually could be a bit of truth to this. Company moral is shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TickTickTick View Post
    She's supposedly free from Zovaal's domination and has her soul whole again, yet she still sounds angry, hateful and vile.
    Which is a completely fair way to be when you just got free from being mind controlled.

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    I still wonder what happened to Sylvanas armor? Looters had it? Then who dressed her like a bum?

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    She says nothing interesting, n blames everything on zovaal even though she chose of her own free will, n lol says she expected her arrow would strike him...who is responsible for writing this crap??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Dreamer View Post
    I still wonder what happened to Sylvanas armor? Looters had it? Then who dressed her like a bum?
    Fanboys looted it to sniff and auction off.

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    That shit character should've been written off long ago when Godfrey killed her. One of the greatest moments in WoW was when she got glocked in the back of the head, they should've ended the Sylvanas arc right then and there. If they wanted to make a Windrunner a major part of the story they could've brought Alleria back into the fold with Turalyon two of the biggest figures in WC2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azmoden View Post
    Because she's a stronk independent wymyn, and stronk independent wymynz can do no harm, they are all special flowers, they're perfect, and DON'T YOU DARE DOUBT THEM YOU MYSOGINISTIC PIG!!!!11!11!

    THE PATRIARCHY! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!11!!!!1!!
    This guy gets it

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceperson View Post
    remember when the blizz writers said sylvanas was going to make garrosh look like an amateur? when are we going to get that sylvanas? so far, i vastly prefer garrosh.
    Afrasiabi said that, and im 100% sure he meant it.

    Im of the belief that the story was going to play out very differently for Sylvannas. Say what you will about Alex and all the shitty things he did, but he was 1000% better at crafting a narrative than Danuser.

    Once Daloser took over, he had to somehow save his waifu Sylvannas.

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    Except she isn't? Arthas lost control of her do to the Lich King being in danger and his powers weakened...she didn't fight for freedom, she was handed it after Arthas and Ner'zhul grew weak. Then there is this line "But there would be no justice that day, for anyone. That is yet to come" Umm...Arthas was killed...but you know who didn't get justice? The MANY victims of the Jailer...
    Except she is. Uther talks about forgiving HIM. Why in the name of Zeus' butthole would she have any reason to forgive the Jailor? Why would Uther have any skin in trying to convince her to forgive the Jailor? What are both of them connected by? Arthas.

    Please watch the warcraft 3, the frozen throne mission ending for the undead campaign "Flight from Lodaeron"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vomax View Post
    This guy gets it

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    Afrasiabi said that, and im 100% sure he meant it.

    Im of the belief that the story was going to play out very differently for Sylvannas. Say what you will about Alex and all the shitty things he did, but he was 1000% better at crafting a narrative than Danuser.

    Once Daloser took over, he had to somehow save his waifu Sylvannas.

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    Except she is. Uther talks about forgiving HIM. Why in the name of Zeus' butthole would she have any reason to forgive the Jailor? Why would Uther have any skin in trying to convince her to forgive the Jailor? What are both of them connected by? Arthas.

    Please watch the warcraft 3, the frozen throne mission ending for the undead campaign "Flight from Lodaeron"
    It's funny you bring up Uther...he was the second form of retribution to Arthas after his first which was his downfall, so there has been plenty of justice

    You highly underestimate Danuser and his love for his waifu...but then again I'm guessing she is yours too
    #WithoutRespectWeReject

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kithelle View Post
    It's funny you bring up Uther...he was the second form of retribution to Arthas after his first which was his downfall, so there has been plenty of justice

    You highly underestimate Danuser and his love for his waifu...but then again I'm guessing she is yours too
    Where in my entire response, did you extrapolate that? I absolutely hate Sylvannas. I hated her since she first gated me from getting the keys to Silvermoon

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    All characters are weak in WoW

    I just don't understand why Horde players ***who care about lore*** don't recognize they are evil. Yes, both factions have committed atrocities in the PAST but any Horde player who didn't follow Saurfang is guilty of supporting, defending, and following the orders of a genocidal monster. There's no debate to be had. Zappyboi was a cute attempt at propaganda and even after his speech she nuked her own people! Yet still they followed, defended, and supported her.

    Redemption arc for her isn't what's important. The horde who kept her in power and slaughtered Night Elves as they tried to flee from the tree as their families were incinerated, are the ones who need to atone. The horde who hid behind cowardly leaders. The horde who blindly did her every bidding until she laughed at them and left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    Yeah...

    I don't necessarily think that a character always needs to be punished for their sins, since that isn't the way in which the real world works nor do I think it should be how a fictional world works either.

    With that said...Sylvanas inflicted countless atrocities upon a great many people over a lengthy period of time. It doesn't matter if she is 'sorry' or 'wasn't in control'. There's some pretty good reasons for numerous characters to execute her. Be it through vengeance or to rid Azeroth of the possibility of Sylvanas somehow regressing back to her villainous self.
    in general your theory holds but in this instance it is as loose as scattered sand, she is in the cutsody of people who she wronged, is it not expected punishment of a kind would come about? A simple yes, but as usual its dodged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azmoden View Post
    Because she's a stronk independent wymyn, and stronk independent wymynz can do no harm, they are all special flowers, they're perfect, and DON'T YOU DARE DOUBT THEM YOU MYSOGINISTIC PIG!!!!11!11!

    THE PATRIARCHY! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!11!!!!1!!
    LOL, this made me laugh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick980 View Post
    For millenia, Zovaal manipulated forces throughout the universe to place him in this position of power. At this final step, the heroes of Azeroth rally to fight a cosmic being who has never known defeat.


    Surely Zovaal knew defeat when he was chained up in the maw by the rest of the pantheon of death and was replaced as arbiter
    He was defeated but he didn't realise it, he just thought it was all part of his plan somehow, yes he hit his head reaaaalllly hard.

    The best part is everything with denathrius, like all the nethrazim are made by him and millia long plans are coming to fruition but when you come face to face the guys an utter moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torm View Post
    Why are you even here? FFXIV does not have it's own forums?
    that game is whack too. I enjoy seeing you all in a relationship with your abuser saying "but they're really gonna change!!! next patch!!"

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