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  1. #321
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    This is pure perfection.

    I knoew from day 1 that she was not herself, but the possesion of a corrupted spirit left by behind in eternal twists by the Lich King.

    We all knew that.
    She did nothing wrong on her own. Just like Arthas. Both of their bad actions came only under a corruption form. None can deny that.


    Also, another note: those graphics are new and they look like something more than just made for cinematics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    People being drama queens as usual. It's really not that bad, it makes sense, but maybe a bit too predictable.

    I'm more interested in the visual update.

    I wonder if that is a test run for a new engine update in 10.0? They usual slip next expansion stuff they're done with in with the last patch.

    It looks good. Like a mix of OW and Hots style, as others have been saying.
    Don´t know if that but it certainly is something.

    One could argue that it is simply a cheaper way of making cinematic, instead of the one such as expansion trailers. So gotta be cautious and see... however, I have a feeling that something is cooking

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    I liked it a lot. It's not groundbreaking on a storytelling level, but it's solid. There were some minor inconsistencies here and there in the story of Sylvanas, but that's probably due to the sheer length of time over which the story was told, the number of people who contributed, and the fact that this is a commercial game - gameplay and business decisions are understandably non-trivial factors.
    Now, people are free to criticize it as they wish, but blanket statements like "it's complete garbage", or ad hominem attacks cannot be addressed or debated.
    My main concerns with Shadowlands are actually with the Jailor and not Sylvanas. We don't hate him, we don't really care what he does or happens to him. His introduction was abrupt, lacking flavor and character establishing plots, we got very little background information about him. A "Warbringers"-style animated series over the Jailor's background could have fixed this for me.
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  3. #323
    Quote Originally Posted by h8ryan View Post
    I knew exactly what the comment section would look like lmao

    some of ya'll have as much irrational hate for sylvanas as danuser has irrational love
    For Sylvanas and bad writing.*

  4. #324
    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz1979 View Post
    nah the jailer gave her back mortality so she's a highe lf look at the cutscene when she wake sup her eyes are blue like when she was a high elf general
    You missed the dead pale blue skin and the gaping hole near her collarbone then? Her eyes are also just glowing blue now, they aren't the normal blue of helfs. She is still very much dead, just with a less fucked up soul now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Except it wasn't. The half of Sylvanas that said it was literally a crystal in a torture dimension for the past in-lore decade a half and wasn't even aware what the other half of her did until Jailer shoved her back into her body just moments before. The good Sylvanas takes responsibility because of what a paragon of justice she apparently was (which the cinematic focuses on a lot), but she's objectively wrong. And as Uther showed in that very scene, people like them that were split into two by the Frostmourne remain two distinct halfs that can outright split again at will even after they get brought back together.




    It's kinda different when it's the same company doing it though, because that's Blizzard eating its own tail and showing (yet again) they can't stop themselves from repeating the same story beats over and over again. Also, it's not just similar, it's an outright rehash.
    I'm trash at posting so forgive for quoting the entire thing.

    I very much agree with you on everything but the splitting part.

    I saw it more as Uther bringing Sylvanas into a memory of his own (and therefore talking through his past self) before "splitting" from the memory of himself to show her just how different he is (which somehow counters her "you wouldn't know man". line)

    Seeing as the split Uther had the model and armor of current, merged Uther and not the dark purple of Forsworn Uther pre-merging I think that's more the case.

    Still, shame that the ruthless manipulator Sylvanas I liked from WC3 until Legion is nullified now (:

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    I mean, who *didn't* see something like this coming?
    She's the pride and joy of WoW and, regardless of the wrongs she commits, can truly do no wrong that would damn her.

    So what's next? She woke up, which means "old" Sylvanas has accepted the tragedies and wrongdoings of "new" Sylvanas and will choose to face the consequences, but probably not right away?
    That probably means she will show up during the Anduin or Jailer fight (or both, who tf knows) to help save/stop him first.
    Afterwards, an epilogue-style story showing her to be fully redeemed and finally meet true death, then spend eternity in the Shadowlands as the "old" Sylvanas, maybe as a Bastion angel alongside Uther in an attempt to help everyone who comes through accept and atone for their transgressions (from what I gather, the brainwashing thing isn't happening anymore, right?)?

    It def won't be what she deserves, which is a place in the Maw under lock and key with the New Jailer (would be awesome if it was Arthas, just to stick it to her one last time) keeping her under watch for eternity.
    It would be fitting, but you can't do that to Sylvanas, that perfect little Blizz princess.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kantoro View Post
    Nothing, it means you did not like what I had to say, your opinion is yours to make. Just like mine is mine and I abhor the writing involved with Sylvanas, she is without a doubt the worst written character in WoW lore. And she will get a garbage redemption. That being said, it IS just my opinion. And judging by the reaction, quite a few other people have the same opinion.
    I've always been the more forgiving when it comes to WoW lore, but from around 8.2 onwards I stopped enjoying it and just played for the gameplay instead. So you can definitely dislike one aspect of the game while consuming the product for other reasons.

    I still pay attention to the lore in some seemingly vain hope that I'll get on board again but that miracle doesn't seem to manifest itself.

    Cinematic itself was badass as hell tho.

  8. #328
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    No it does not. This shows BOTH Sylvanas's and the the Ranger General does not like what the Banshee Queen did. The Ranger General wants to take responsibility for the Banshee Queen's actions. None of what you say is true.,
    They made a story that both people who love & hate sylvanas will both loathe.

    Also what the hell was the point of all those shots of Sylvanas looking guilty? They purposely showed her being conflicted, just to be like "THIS SYLVANAS IS A MONSTER" WE HAVE GOOD SYLVANAS NOW lets mix them together... That's wild. It's like the Tuvix episode of Star Trek Voyager begging to be allowed to live only not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zmagoslav View Post
    Not only was she immediately forgiven by alliance and horde, they also went ahead and forged a full armor set for her.
    except shes not, no one has forgiven her, but they HAVE to work with her to take down the jailer.
    they literally say "you will never be forgiven"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jshadowhunter View Post
    And Blizzard strips another female character of her agency.
    And branders and consumers blindly cheer.
    except they arnt but k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    walk trough me, of how Kael'thas did worse than Sylvanas, please, i want to see the big brain time
    lol yeah idk, kaelthas did do a lot bad, he literally attacked his own peoples homeland and started murdeirng them all, while also trying to destroy his own peoples one thing keeping them alive. but yeah that aint as bad as teldrassil...

  10. #330
    Quote Originally Posted by Jujudrood View Post
    I mean, who *didn't* see something like this coming?
    She's the pride and joy of WoW and, regardless of the wrongs she commits, can truly do no wrong that would damn her.

    So what's next? She woke up, which means "old" Sylvanas has accepted the tragedies and wrongdoings of "new" Sylvanas and will choose to face the consequences, but probably not right away?
    That probably means she will show up during the Anduin or Jailer fight (or both, who tf knows) to help save/stop him first.
    Afterwards, an epilogue-style story showing her to be fully redeemed and finally meet true death, then spend eternity in the Shadowlands as the "old" Sylvanas, maybe as a Bastion angel alongside Uther in an attempt to help everyone who comes through accept and atone for their transgressions (from what I gather, the brainwashing thing isn't happening anymore, right?)?

    It def won't be what she deserves, which is a place in the Maw under lock and key with the New Jailer (would be awesome if it was Arthas, just to stick it to her one last time) keeping her under watch for eternity.
    It would be fitting, but you can't do that to Sylvanas, that perfect little Blizz princess.....
    They may decide Evil!Sylvanas's soul is still around and gets punished, while Good!Sylvanas goes on to, I dunno, pick flowers in Ardenweald while the birds sing 'round her or something. That'll be the least terrible thing that could happen if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jujudrood View Post
    I mean, who *didn't* see something like this coming?
    She's the pride and joy of WoW and, regardless of the wrongs she commits, can truly do no wrong that would damn her.

    So what's next? She woke up, which means "old" Sylvanas has accepted the tragedies and wrongdoings of "new" Sylvanas and will choose to face the consequences, but probably not right away?
    That probably means she will show up during the Anduin or Jailer fight (or both, who tf knows) to help save/stop him first.
    Afterwards, an epilogue-style story showing her to be fully redeemed and finally meet true death, then spend eternity in the Shadowlands as the "old" Sylvanas, maybe as a Bastion angel alongside Uther in an attempt to help everyone who comes through accept and atone for their transgressions (from what I gather, the brainwashing thing isn't happening anymore, right?)?

    It def won't be what she deserves, which is a place in the Maw under lock and key with the New Jailer (would be awesome if it was Arthas, just to stick it to her one last time) keeping her under watch for eternity.
    It would be fitting, but you can't do that to Sylvanas, that perfect little Blizz princess.....
    I'm 95% sure Arthas is showing up by the end of the raid. Probably during the Anduin fight. Sylvannas and Uther are probably just there for the sole purpose of retrieving his soul from the Maw. Sylvannas had a short story written where she saw him down there after committing suicide, and before being rezzed by some valkyr. Uther also had a cinematic where he throws Arthas' soul into the Maw. It would frankly be weird NOT to have this resolved in 9.2. Some many Arthas-connected characters are present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roboscorcher View Post
    I'm 95% sure Arthas is showing up by the end of the raid. Probably during the Anduin fight. Sylvannas and Uther are probably just there for the sole purpose of retrieving his soul from the Maw. Sylvannas had a short story written where she saw him down there after committing suicide, and before being rezzed by some valkyr. Uther also had a cinematic where he throws Arthas' soul into the Maw. It would frankly be weird NOT to have this resolved in 9.2. Some many Arthas-connected characters are present.
    Do you think Arthas will play any role in the next xpac or will he be there as a means to "finish" everything up with him? In any case, it might be about time to end everything about Arthas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusadernero View Post
    Do you think Arthas will play any role in the next xpac or will he be there as a means to "finish" everything up with him? In any case, it might be about time to end everything about Arthas.
    I propose: The forum-goer's wet dream. Instead of introducing WotLK Classic, retail's story is set to time loop back to 3.0. Retail WoW is put on hold until TBCC finishes its content path. WoW Classic and WoW retail then converge back to one single property and Blizzard simply rereleases the entirety of WotLK as it was originally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Relapses View Post
    I propose: The forum-goer's wet dream. Instead of introducing WotLK Classic, retail's story is set to time loop back to 3.0. Retail WoW is put on hold until TBCC finishes its content path. WoW Classic and WoW retail then converge back to one single property and Blizzard simply rereleases the entirety of WotLK as it was originally.
    eh ok? What kind of useless answer was that? ofc theres people out there who wants to play Wotlk and find that xpac good - so what? Whats that to you? Does that bother you? I dont give two shits about BC but im happy for those that want to play it.


    On topic: Personally, I hope the story about Arthas is finally put to rest. its about time to move on from him. Hopefully(lol) Blizzard will do it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusadernero View Post
    eh ok? What kind of useless answer was that? ofc theres people out there who wants to play Wotlk and find that xpac good - so what? Whats that to you? Does that bother you? I dont give two shits about BC but im happy for those that want to play it.


    On topic: Personally, I hope the story about Arthas is finally put to rest. its about time to move on from him. Hopefully(lol) Blizzard will do it right.
    He's always like that. But I digress. I think they are gonna end everything about Arthas in 9.2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeraldofSargeras View Post
    He's always like that. But I digress. I think they are gonna end everything about Arthas in 9.2.
    Aah, well ok.

    Yeah me too. Let Arthas rest now, in every sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusadernero View Post
    eh ok? What kind of useless answer was that? ofc theres people out there who wants to play Wotlk and find that xpac good - so what? Whats that to you? Does that bother you? I dont give two shits about BC but im happy for those that want to play it.
    It was a joke my dude.
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    Just retcon all of Shadowlands, thanks.

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    So then with this revelation, is it safe to say Anduin is already dead?

    Other than that, people are getting too butt hurt over this stuff. Just do what I do. Tell yourself that World of Warcraft ultimately was Illidans story (i mean, it was) and it ended when Illidan got Sargeras. Everything that happened after that isn't cannon.

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