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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    How are you not aware of all the sentences that were overturned year or decades after the initial sentencing?

    Most moral people would object to killing innocent folks when there are alternative forms of punishment and/or the ability to raise the standards to ensure this doesn't happen.

    But you do you.

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    The supposed goal of prison is rehabilitation.

    Please tell me how someone would be rehabilitated if they were in a coma.

    Alternatively prison is a punishment. Please tell me how someone would be punished by being in a coma for the duration of their sentence.
    Well, if they're in a coma and still age...that could be considered a punishment. Go to sleep when your 26 and wake up when your 62.

    But if it's like Demolition Man and they just put you in cryo stasis for the duration of your sentence... that doesn't seem like much of a punishment...other than that everyone you loved might be dead by the time you are released...without you ever seeing them again. Although, they did also reprogram the offender with new skills...so maybe that could be something like rehabilitation. The movie wasn't really great about showing how criminals were supposed to reintegrate into society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    The movie wasn't really great about showing how criminals were supposed to reintegrate into society.
    Well that's the problem with this scenario. They are older but in the same mental/ emotional state as when they did the crime. It's a recipe for even more repeat offenders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Well that's the problem with this scenario. They are older but in the same mental/ emotional state as when they did the crime. It's a recipe for even more repeat offenders.
    If they're in their 60s their biology is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    If they're in their 60s their biology is different.
    I'm not quite sure what that has to do with recidivism. I don't think I'm way out of bounds here to think long naps in lieu of actual jail time isn't doing anyone favors.
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    It's called resistance / rebellion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    Every one is talking about this pedo but no one is mentioning a mom pimped out her underage daughters?
    I have more disdain for them tbh. It's at the same level of depravity. He's a deranged evil individual, no questions about that. But the parents aren't any better

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    What does being a CNN Producer have to do with the allegation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    So to clarify you are suggesting for those crimes that are life in prison without possibility of parole you'd advocate for medically induced comas? But the rest it's a normal prison term?

    If so -- why not just euthanize them at that point? Or is this the middle ground to allow for wrongful convictions being overturned?

    Just trying to understand your actual stance here.
    Life in a coma-like state for lifers and maybe a set time for those who aren’t — if they fuck up while awake they go back under.

    Idk, I’m just thinking of stuff based on what I’ve seen in movies and TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Life in a coma-like state for lifers and maybe a set time for those who aren’t — if they fuck up while awake they go back under.

    Idk, I’m just thinking of stuff based on what I’ve seen in movies and TV.
    I don't really see the point in putting someone in a coma for life. It's just a slow death penalty enacted through "natural causes". It's just putting a veil of enlightenment over the barbarism of the death penalty. You're still sentencing them to death...you're just taking longer to do it.

    And, as stated, the problem with putting criminals in comas for the duration of their sentence is that there is not even an attempt at rehabilatation. They just get put back on the street a little older physically....but otherwise in the same state they went in. No GED, no therapy, no new skills that will help them to re-integrate with society...etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Life in a coma-like state for lifers and maybe a set time for those who aren’t — if they fuck up while awake they go back under.

    Idk, I’m just thinking of stuff based on what I’ve seen in movies and TV.
    Sounds stupid as shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    I don't really see the point in putting someone in a coma for life. It's just a slow death penalty enacted through "natural causes". It's just putting a veil of enlightenment over the barbarism of the death penalty. You're still sentencing them to death...you're just taking longer to do it.

    And, as stated, the problem with putting criminals in comas for the duration of their sentence is that there is not even an attempt at rehabilatation. They just get put back on the street a little older physically....but otherwise in the same state they went in. No GED, no therapy, no new skills that will help them to re-integrate with society...etc.
    Yeah, I’d rather we actually reform our prison system to do its job. Which isn’t to punish people, it’s to help make sure they don’t commit more crimes. The way you truly do that is by reforming prisoners. Like other countries do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    What does being a CNN Producer have to do with the allegation?
    announced thinks it is some sort of gotcha. Something to distract from their night lineup at Fox "News" being implicated in the January 6th planning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    Are you saying it's not fine for innocent to die, but it is completely acceptable for them to spend 50 something years in prison, because at least they got to live there? Is this really the grand case you wish to make? I mean, nevermind that some seemed to consider the latter a worse punishment to boot. Sure seems like some are hypocritical in their stances, while acting outraged.
    Acceptable? no. Infinitely better than death? 100000000000% yes. You would have to be a complete fucking idiot to think otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    announced thinks it is some sort of gotcha. Something to distract from their night lineup at Fox "News" being implicated in the January 6th planning.
    Not realising it actually makes CNN look good because it shows the company takes these allegations seriously and isn't trying to hide behind shit like Fox would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Not realising it actually makes CNN look good because it shows the company takes these allegations seriously and isn't trying to hide behind shit like Fox would.
    Yep, they hid Bill O'Reilly's shit for decades, and the only reason it became public, is because the last woman didn't want to keep her mouth shut.

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    About a week and a half late on this one OP, this was already hitting media circles at least a week ago. Also isn't it interesting how none of the major news outlets were reporting the story? Just like they aren't talking about the Maxwell trial? They sure seem to have no qualms with defending pedophiles keeping anything that makes them look bad on the down low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    About a week and a half late on this one OP, this was already hitting media circles at least a week ago. Also isn't it interesting how none of the major news outlets were reporting the story? Just like they aren't talking about the Maxwell trial? They sure seem to have no qualms with defending pedophiles keeping anything that makes them look bad on the down low.
    Sure seems like they're "defending pedophiles" by firing them immediately once their actions become known, eh?

    Not sure why you thought that was a justifiable take, but I guess you've gotta twist reality somehow to make this look bad on your ideological enemies.


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    So CNN fires a criminal.... I'm sure the right will turn this into "CNN bad" somehow. Looks like they already did lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickJamesLich View Post
    So CNN fires a criminal.... I'm sure the right will turn this into "CNN bad" somehow. Looks like they already did lol.
    That is what the first post is supposed to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    It's cases such as this, that made me question the wisdom of no death penalty, and eventually led me to change my mind in favor of it being used in the rare cases it's needed for.
    Congratulations, you made this a death penalty thread...
    Let's look at the test results. You are a horrible person. It says right here, you're a horrible person. We weren't even testing that. Don't let the horrible person thing get you down though. Science justified your parents choice to abandon you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Acceptable? no. Infinitely better than death? 100000000000% yes. You would have to be a complete fucking idiot to think otherwise.
    "not acceptable but totes million times better, so keep it". Hypocritical outrage machine just keeps going. Either you accept life sentence to innocents here and there as an acceptable consequence of having the system in place, or you oppose it being a thing, like you seem to oppose death penalty. There's no weaseling around it, like you tried here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    "not acceptable but totes million times better, so keep it". Hypocritical outrage machine just keeps going. Either you accept life sentence to innocents here and there as an acceptable consequence of having the system in place, or you oppose it being a thing, like you seem to oppose death penalty. There's no weaseling around it, like you tried here.

    Since it wasn't clear enough for you I'm ok with life sentences cause they can be reversed you can't reverse the death penalty. Basic fucking logic........
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