The Dragon Pack Bundle

[cparle87]

You went straight to nazis, not me. Congratulations.

The ceo knew of the sexual allegations for years, and guess what, after outcry by several notable companies and the general public, he still remains the CEO. Diminishing all of this to a "hyperbole" is disingenuous to the numerous sexual accusations as well as the actual women that killed themselves over it. Just because you are tone deaf to the hoard of sexual allegations, does not mean that they do not exist, you just choose to ignore them.

The fact remains, blizzard harbors sexual misconduct to a terrifying degree, more so than other companies. This is one of the last remaining overly pro-blizzard fansites, so this will just be an echo chamber. You can publish your opinion to any other site, and you will find that you are alone without other players to cope beside you.

Provide facts and articles, not some anecdote with your personal business.

And please, next time you should look up the own shit you are spewing as well as your own footnote. "I'm not a defender of Blizzard. I'm a hater of intellectual dishonesty and historical revisionism."

You're the one who called me a holocaust survivor for not equating workplace harrassment with an entire holding company most of whom having no connection to the Blizzard who make WoW "supporting rapists."

I'm not deaf to them. But holding everyone who works in the same company responsible. How'd you feel if you worked at a Pontiac dealership and got called a rapist supporter cause someone at GMC did something bad?

"More so than other companies." And you try to rag on me for intellectual dishonesty. Not sure what the exact name is, but pretty sure making an argument you know neither yourself nor me can argue is a fallacy.

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Not every employee that works there is some sexual perv. Thats not a grand statement to make and he is correct in saying that.




Dude really have you even seen the stuff that gets thrown at Blizz? Hardly, its a Blizz fansite but pro blizzard? Nonsense

Yeah, he did the same to me. Another guy who doesn't know what a holding company is and holds people guilty by the flimsiest of associations.

[cityguy193]

Not every employee that works there is some sexual perv. Thats not a grand statement to make and he is correct in saying that.




Dude really have you even seen the stuff that gets thrown at Blizz? Hardly, its a Blizz fansite but pro blizzard? Nonsense

This is a pro blizzard fansite, other gaming sites hate blizzard for obvious reasons. The fact that this is blizzard neutral, or that fact that you have guys like the person im quoting throwing nazi ancedotes to reduce an argument is very telling.



Its reducing the argument. Of course when anyone says "ATVI harbors rapists," no one will obviously think that every employee is a rapist. That is another fallacy in of itself.

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You're the one who called me a holocaust survivor for not equating workplace harrassment with an entire holding company most of whom having no connection to the Blizzard who make WoW "supporting rapists."

I'm not deaf to them. But holding everyone who works in the same company responsible. How'd you feel if you worked at a Pontiac dealership and got called a rapist supporter cause someone at GMC did something bad?

"More so than other companies." And you try to rag on me for intellectual dishonesty. Not sure what the exact name is, but pretty sure making an argument you know neither yourself nor me can argue is a fallacy.

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Yeah, he did the same to me. Another guy who doesn't know what a holding company is and holds people guilty by the flimsiest of associations.

What other gaming company has months and months of news articles from various sources detailing sexual harassment? What other gaming company had the CEO actually know about the rape and the allegations first hand, and took a part in hiding it. I want articles, facts, no more bullshit.

And dude, you mentioned nazis first, you are blind. And the correct term is "holocaust denier," you are free to look up the difference there as well.

[cparle87]

This is a pro blizzard fansite, other gaming sites hate blizzard for obvious reasons. The fact that this is blizzard neutral, or that fact that you have guys like the person im quoting throwing nazi ancedotes to reduce an argument is very telling.



Its reducing the argument. Of course when anyone says "ATVI harbors rapists," no one will obviously think that every employee is a rapist.

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What other gaming company has months and months of news articles from various sources detailing sexual harassment?

And dude, you mentioned nazis first, you are blind. And the correct term is "holocaust denier," you are free to look up the difference there as well.

How does me mentioning crazy anti-Nazis somehow give you permission to call me a holocaust denier for not supporting your guilty by association assertion? You say "reducing the argument" I say "hyperbole meant to inflame and mislead your readers."

[cityguy193]

How does me mentioning crazy anti-Nazis somehow give you permission to call me a holocaust denier for not supporting your guilty by association assertion? You say "reducing the argument" I say "hyperbole meant to inflame and mislead your readers."

No one is going to sit there on a forum post and write a dissertation for every post, that is psychotic. When someone says "X company harbors rapists," how on earth can a sane individual take that to mean every employee is a rapist, that's reducing the argument. That is a fallacy, and frankly the argument of an idiot. For example this is equivalent to saying pharmaceutical companies are pushing the overperscribing of opiates, and stating that every pharmacist, teller, doctor, etc., associated with the company does this, its the argument of an idiot.

You mentioned nazis first, I do not need your permission. I was using your own example to state that you are denying a verifiable fact. In your case, you would ironically be a holocaust denier. You are denying a verified, somewhat obvious fact.

You dont get to play a victim, and are changing around what you originally stated. You are the one actually inciting hyperbole. Please follow your own quote and analyze your own intellectual dishonesty, analyze what exactly you are defending.

Either way you are free to believe what you want. It is a fact that a disappropriate amount of sexual harassment happens at blizzard studios. You are free to counter with facts of your own. I did your homework and linked a few articles, they are worth a read. They come from both sides of the political spectrum, which should account for different biases.

I clicked on MMOchampion today because I am a long time wow player, im sure atleast just as long, but most likely much longer than yourself. I still keep up to date with the company and its games, but I can still distance my own emotions from heinous crimes committed by many of the people in power at a company. I know there is a disappropriate amount of sexual harassment by blizzard, and will not deny that. It honestly makes me sad that the player base is left populated by persons such as yourself unwilling to accept verifiable facts.

[qwerty123456]

Not true. The original information we had on Old Gods was that there was only one that we knew of, and that a Titan died fighting against C'thun's army. C'thun was weakened and had to go dormant, and then created the Qiraji while dormant underground. The Titans also didn't seem to be gigantic beings originally as they were stated to have made Un'goro their home when they inhabited Azeroth. It sounds like they were more the size of large giants rather than planet sized creatures. But that was probably changed when they created the concept of the World Souls and the Titans being born from inside of planets and all that.

They then retconned all of that.

I personally preferred the more mysterious Eldritch stuff we had going on before they started to clarify some of the lore around the Titans. I really wish they hadn't.

Edit: In regards to the "fell" comment: The same piece of lore also uses the same word to define C'thun's death.

"The prophecy is unclear about whether or not the Titan was vanquished in this battle but it illustrates that a Titan fell. An Old God had also fallen - or so it was thought.

For millennia this being lay dormant beneath the world - biding its time. From its prison it waited for the exact moment at which to strike back at those that would see it harmed."

A Titan fought an Old god and its army. Wipeing out its army and "killing" it and either dying or being corrupted or what ever in the process. How do that say an Old God was Stronger than a titan?

And where was the Titans corpse if they intended to mean death? We have ancient bones/corpses all over the place on Azeroth and Dreanor and yet you never see the fallen Titan.

[Devilyaki]

Flying over the island they bought with all the money

[Hctaz]

A Titan fought an Old god and its army. Wipeing out its army and "killing" it and either dying or being corrupted or what ever in the process. How do that say an Old God was Stronger than a titan?

And where was the Titans corpse if they intended to mean death? We have ancient bones/corpses all over the place on Azeroth and Dreanor and yet you never see the fallen Titan.

Well it was at least a millenia ago. Which I think was also retconned if I remember correctly, but that's not very specific. Possibility that there's nothing left after all of that time, however. I also don't know if they had a specific army aside from the elementals. Strange that they all seemed to make servants after losing.

[stross01]

excuse me, what

She's the only character in the entire Warcraft universe that needs attention and sticking power.

[HeraldofSargeras]

She's the only character in the entire Warcraft universe that needs attention and sticking power.

No

/10char

[Syegfryed]

No you are reading it as dying. If they wanted it to be dead why didn't they say it died fighting the Old Gods and their armies?

They did say that, again, the context speak for itself and it does not need verbatim, the titan would not be "corrupted fighting", he died.

Why use the word fell instead?

Because is a fantasy game and they talk with flourish to make things look cooler? we have countless of shit like that, like "you fall into the endless void now mortal!, when he just die. there is no endless void, the afterlife is totally different.

Also why wouldn't there have been a Titan corpse somewhere in Azeroth before the retcon?

we never found the place where the battle happened? he just never found

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What would be the reasoning behind it?

dragons wanted to be left alone, create a safe space where they can have their eggs and live, a "heaven" that mortal races can't reach.

pretty simple, rpetty logical.

If anything, it would be sort of a "lost world" type of place, with prototype creatures of Dragons, like you see in How to Train your Dragon, or something like that. That would, logically, be more grounded than aired and even, possibly, underground.

as long the isles fly, i don't care much about the origin , i always liked protodrakes more anyway.

Chimaeras are Rylaks. Rylaks are the original species in Dreanor. Outlands has Chimeras that are mutated Rylaks. I'm not sure the Azerothian Chimeras come from Rylaks cause I'm pretty sure they were used by the Night Elves before the orcs came.

different worlds can spawn different creatures, just like in azeroth and draenor we have things like boars, wolves, birds, scorpions, snakes, etc. Sometimes slight different, sometimes the same.

Same thing hapened to the rylaks/chimaeras.

thing is, why that shit happens, prob due to the "life dimension" akin to shadowlands

[shise]

Now, i know this has been posted here before. But, what do you presume they are flying over? An already established place in WoW or, perhaps, the Dragon Isles? Maybe it's just an artistic choice with no meaning at all, whatsoever. You decide.

Let the speculation begin.

We will find out in 10.0

[GrinnersGrin]

Stop being so impatient, we'll find out in 10.0, it's only 2 and a half years away

[stross01]

No

/10char

I'm being facetious.

I am, however, super interested at how they'll shoehorn that terrible heap of fanfic in. There's little chance of her not being a segue into every expansion forever and always for the rest of time. She's the most fleshed-out dogwater character ever written for a fantasy setting, she's been the face of WoW for longer than anyone else, half of the plot in the game involves her, most centric, some tertiary, and she has the most books, art, character skins, models, etc of anything in their IP portfolio.

It'd be a shame to let such a divine composition like her go to waste.

On topic: this expansion pitch has been around since at least 2006 and seems just as likely as any other fake 4chan leak. While cool, I hope they do the dragon isles as a content patch instead of an entire expansion. There just isn't enough there.

[Venziir]

Yeah, the next expansion is more than likely going to be Dragon Isles. Wrathion is looking for them, we have uncorrupted Twilight Drakes, there's been multiple dragon clues laid throughout Shadowlands, Galakrond is supposedly going to appear at some point in 9.2, and a dragon-based expansion would be an Azeroth-based expansion (as Ion hinted at).

That would've been datamined by now.

[shise]

Yeah, but why is there specifically a dragon bundle in the first place? The current expansion has nothing to do with dragons, and neither does anything else going on in terms of season.

This is the third clue we have got so far, that the next Xpansion is a mystic expansion, somehow similar to MoP.


First: Wrathion. Keeps popping in at the X pack start, like he will be relevant, then completely dissapears.

Second: The pet a month ago. That looked very mystical and different art/theme to anything we´ve seen so far.

Third: This one is just huge.

[Venziir]

This is the third clue we have got so far, that the next Xpansion is a mystic expansion, somehow similar to MoP.


First: Wrathion. Keeps popping in at the X pack start, like he will be relevant, then completely dissapears.

Second: The pet a month ago. That looked very mystical and different art/theme to anything we´ve seen so far.

Third: This one is just huge.

When did Wrathion "pop in" at the start of SL? And pardon, but which pet are we talking about again?

[username993720]

Flying over the island they bought with all the money

dragons wanted to be left alone, create a safe space where they can have their eggs and live, a "heaven" that mortal races can't reach.

pretty simple, rpetty logical.

Then, i think, it would be more logical for the Bronze Dragonflight to shroud it in time magic, making it a pocket dimension or something.

as long the isles fly, i don't care much about the origin , i always liked protodrakes more anyway.

You know, if we were still in Burning Crusade times, it would be a pretty cool concept. Only those who have acquired flying can reach this island. Now that everybody can do it, or attain it easily, such things lose their touch.

We will find out in 10.0

A smooth way to avoid answering

Stop being so impatient, we'll find out in 10.0, it's only 2 and a half years away

Indeed. Just a short wait.

[Kumorii]

I'm hoping there is no dragonsworn class. That's the wrong move. People want to play straight-up dragons.

how would that work? Considering how huge they are?

[Syegfryed]

Then, i think, it would be more logical for the Bronze Dragonflight to shroud it in time magic, making it a pocket dimension or something.



You know, if we were still in Burning Crusade times, it would be a pretty cool concept. Only those who have acquired flying can reach this island. Now that everybody can do it, or attain it easily, such things lose their touch.

it don't need to be time magic or pocket dimension shit, we had ships before but we never set foot to zandalar, the dragon isles could be just so up high and full of draconic magic that could create tempests, storms or ilusions to keep outsiders away.

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how would that work? Considering how huge they are?

half-dragons or drakonids

pretty much like dragonborns are in dungeons and dragons

[Kumorii]

half-dragons or drakonids

pretty much like dragonborns are in dungeons and dragons

That's how I imagined a class like that would work. Not what I would describe as straight-up dragons though.