Page 13 of 16 FirstFirst ...
3
11
12
13
14
15
... LastLast
  1. #241
    To be fair we can't support too many more people, the vast majority of the infrastructure is still from the 1970's when the population was around 55 million. It's now nearly 68 million, normal people are really feeling the pressure with housing costs and availability (land is silly expensive) and it has got a lot worse since Covid.

    I think it's more of a message: Don't come to the UK or we will send you to our version of Guantanamo for processing!

    This is no way to handle it! fucking deplorable!
    Quote Originally Posted by sircaw View Post
    Credibility, Stuff you and the horse you rode in, why would i want to be seen as credible in your eyes, you people, "Extreme left nutta's " are the worst of what this forum has to offer.

  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Iliena View Post
    To be fair we can't support too many more people, the vast majority of the infrastructure is still from the 1970's when the population was around 55 million. It's now nearly 68 million, normal people are really feeling the pressure with housing costs and availability (land is silly expensive) and it has got a lot worse since Covid.

    I think it's more of a message: Don't come to the UK or we will send you to our version of Guantanamo for processing!

    This is no way to handle it! fucking deplorable!
    If you want to have a conversation about population, then just talking about immigrants is pointless. You need to talk about births, and deaths. You need to talk about the demographics. You need to talk about what cutting off immigration would do to that demographic, and how you would manage it moving forwards. It might involve alterations to retirement dates, and things like that.

    It would need to be an adult discussion, covering all aspects. It would need planning and good management. But that isn't what the Tories do; they are lazy, greedy and feckless. They don't plan or design, or put the work in. They just break things, and figure out ways they and their mates can make money out of what they've broken.

    This plan is a dead cat, designed to distract from Boris breaking laws. It's probably illegal, and it will be facing challenge in the courts, I have no doubt. Their track record on trying illegal things and getting slapped down is pretty poor. So this may well go the same way. At which point they'll direct the anger of their racist base towards the "out of touch judges" that are stopping them from doing what they want.

    All pretty transparent. All pretty sad. This is what the Tories have sunk to, reactionary, populist, racist policies that make the invocation of Godwin's Law inevitable. I'm pretty sick of what's happened to my country the last few years.
    When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
    Quote Originally Posted by George Carlin
    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Adams
    It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

  3. #243
    Boris Johnson braced for more fines after resignation of justice minister
    Boris Johnson was braced for further fines for breaches of coronavirus laws after a justice minister resigned over the “repeated rule-breaking” in Downing Street.

    Conservative peer David Wolfson said he had “no option” other than to quit because the scale and nature of the events determined by police to be breaches so far are “inconsistent with the rule of law”.

    Multiple newspapers carried reports suggesting the Prime Minister could receive further fixed penalty notices after he accepted a fine for attending a birthday party held for him in No 10 during Covid restrictions in June 2020.

    Downing Street sources said they were awaiting the outcome of the ongoing Scotland Yard inquiry after Mr Johnson conceded more fines could follow, having reportedly attended six of the 12 events under investigation.

    The Prime Minister will attempt to move on from the scandal with a major speech on Thursday setting out new plans for the asylum system, including sending individuals more than 4,000 miles to Rwanda for processing.

    The fallout after Mr Johnson and Chancellor Rishi Sunak admitted paying fines this week was continuing with further calls to quit.

    Conservative MPs Nigel Mills and Craig Whittaker said the Prime Minister’s position was untenable after he was found to have broken the rules he set.

    However, Mr Johnson’s position was safe for the time being, with politicians away from Parliament for the Easter recess and numerous Tory critics arguing for immediate focus to be on the invasion of Ukraine.

    Lord Wolfson, a justice minister since 2020, said in his resignation letter to Mr Johnson that he has come to the “inevitable conclusion that there was repeated rule-breaking, and breaches of the criminal law, in Downing Street”.

    He concluded that had no option but to resign considering “my ministerial and professional obligations to support and uphold the rule of law”.

  4. #244
    The Lightbringer dribbles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    The Sunny Uplands
    Posts
    3,424
    Quote Originally Posted by Iliena View Post
    Now that it looks like Boris is going to get 2 more fines! They have entered panic mode and up steps Priti Patel with a great idea...!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61097114

    You couldn't make this shit up!

    I hope this get's blocked by parliament, what a waste of public funds and you can just smell the judicial enquiry down the road already!
    Classic example of the brilliance in leadership shown by our Boris, cementing his position in No 10 and making the world a better place.

    Look at the context behind this. Thousands of refugees reach the EU and fail to find their happy place so take the often perilous decision to swim the English Channel seeking sanctuary in the sunny uplands of Brexit Britain. If the EU had secure borders this would not happen, the British electorate decided to secure theirs and find a solution.

    So this win win idea from Boris is great. It's a win for Rwanda, and a fantastic opportunity for the refugees, as they need young migrants, and a win for Britain who can't take everyone who wants to come in the vast numbers that are fleeing the EU.

    Some friendly advise eurochums in that if you are headed for London for a weekend jolly, Europe's best city after all, make sure your paperwork is in order or you might find yourselves on a one way journey to somewhere else!
    In a recent poll 64,831 UK voters were given the opportunity to vote for Rejoin EU and 151 did this, but 64,680 did not.source
    In a more recent poll 82,314 UK voters were given the opportunity to vote for Rejoin EU and 58 did this, but 82,256 did not.source

  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    So this win win idea from Boris is great. It's a win for Rwanda, and a fantastic opportunity for the refugees, as they need young migrants, and a win for Britain who can't take everyone who wants to come in the vast numbers that are fleeing the EU.
    What does Boris have to say about Rwanda:
    1 Conduct transparent, credible and independent investigations into allegations of extrajudicial killings, deaths in custody, enforced disappearances and torture, and bring perpetrators to justice.

    2 Protect and enable journalists to work freely, without fear of retribution, and ensure that state authorities comply with the Access to Information law.

    3 Screen, identify and provide support to trafficking victims, including those held in Government transit centres.

    Sound's like a swell place. I wonder how much Russian oligarch money Boris used to bribe Kagame to agree with this scheme?

  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    All pretty transparent. All pretty sad. This is what the Tories have sunk to, reactionary, populist, racist policies that make the invocation of Godwin's Law inevitable. I'm pretty sick of what's happened to my country the last few years.
    Agreed, my political views used to be pretty middle of the road, now I'm decidedly in the Labour camp, not because I have had any great shifts in personal beliefs but the political landscape has shifted to the right around me. I blame the populist right wing rags for a lot of this shortsightedness and wilfulness, they always need somebody to blame for the countries woes and its always the little guy's fault! like immigrants, unemployed, disabled, NHS and public sector problems are always the staffs fault.

    While not addressing the bigger issues like tax avoidance and abusing vat deductibles (this has gone thru the roof since working from home has become more mainstream) you wanted a big new 4k TV during lockdown? Hook it up to your laptop and use it as a monitor, then claim half the vat back! ( this is intended for stuff like a mobile phone that is for both personal and work use) https://sumup.co.uk/invoices/dictionary/deductible-vat/

    This gets little more than a shrug of the shoulders and mutterings from newspapers like: well its legal, what can we do? They will just leave and the tax paying people they employ will lose there jobs and nothing to do with the fact they themselves would end up paying more tax if the loopholes were closed. While average Daily Mail reader Jim Dumbfuck (you know who you are) is happy we have taken back our boarders! and is now paying 1p on the pound less tax, then complaining 10 minutes later how broken the country is when he cant see his GP this week or find a new NHS dentist. Bloody immigrants taking all the appointments!
    Quote Originally Posted by sircaw View Post
    Credibility, Stuff you and the horse you rode in, why would i want to be seen as credible in your eyes, you people, "Extreme left nutta's " are the worst of what this forum has to offer.

  7. #247
    This policy of sending asylum seekers to Rwanda is like something from Monty Python. You can imagine that they might have been brainstorming how to dissuade people from coming here and someone joked "just send them to some shithole in Africa lol" and Pritti Low IQ was like "holy shit that's genius"... and then actually did it.

    I just hope these people don't win again in 2024. I'm so fed up with their bullshit. Imagine actually voting for them after everything they've done.

  8. #248
    The Lightbringer dribbles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    The Sunny Uplands
    Posts
    3,424
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    This policy of sending asylum seekers to Rwanda is like something from Monty Python. You can imagine that they might have been brainstorming how to dissuade people from coming here and someone joked "just send them to some shithole in Africa lol" and Pritti Low IQ was like "holy shit that's genius"... and then actually did it.

    I just hope these people don't win again in 2024. I'm so fed up with their bullshit. Imagine actually voting for them after everything they've done.
    The reason British people will vote for Boris again and again is that they support him. His Rwanda plan for example...

    Voters back plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda by two to one, poll reveals.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-critics.html

    Why were the fringe yet vocal minority moaning about it again on here?

    Every time our Boris makes a policy decision, the rest of the world follows a few weeks or months later. Whether it's a position on Ukraine, Covid, the EU, or illegal immigrants our UK leader of the free world decides how best to respond with the innovative solutions first. It is a piece of cake for him.

    He is going nowhere, the UK is lucky to have him and the fantastic Conservative team that surround him, is truly a great leader the whole world needs right now. Imagine the current circumstances if Corbyn had prevailed? I fear those that wish Boris failure in 2024 are going to be sadly disappointed...
    In a recent poll 64,831 UK voters were given the opportunity to vote for Rejoin EU and 151 did this, but 64,680 did not.source
    In a more recent poll 82,314 UK voters were given the opportunity to vote for Rejoin EU and 58 did this, but 82,256 did not.source

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The reason British people will vote for Boris again and again is that they support him. His Rwanda plan for example...

    Voters back plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda by two to one, poll reveals.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-critics.html

    Why were the fringe yet vocal minority moaning about it again on here?

    Every time our Boris makes a policy decision, the rest of the world follows a few weeks or months later. Whether it's a position on Ukraine, Covid, the EU, or illegal immigrants our UK leader of the free world decides how best to respond with the innovative solutions first. It is a piece of cake for him.

    He is going nowhere, the UK is lucky to have him and the fantastic Conservative team that surround him, is truly a great leader the whole world needs right now. Imagine the current circumstances if Corbyn had prevailed? I fear those that wish Boris failure in 2024 are going to be sadly disappointed...
    Dribbles, dribbles, dribbles. You've told us enough times; if you aren't "for" something, you're "against" something. That poll shows that 47% support this, which means that 53% are against it. That's a mandate that outdoes even Brexit! So clearly we can't do it, with such strong numbers against it.

    Once again, your "logic" and hypocrisy comes back to bite you on the arse.

    Mind you, you've also told us repeatedly that you don't believe in polls. Or facts. Or the version of reality that you live in. I'm not sure what point I'm trying to make here, but I'm pretty sure your opinion isn't going to hold much weight with anyone in full possession of their faculties.

    All this is moot, anyway. This will get kicked out by the courts as illegal, which Boris knows full well. But we've already seen that Tories (and especially Tory Brexiteers) don't care about laws, treaties, rules or convention. They'll piss all over them all to feed a bit of red meat to the racists propping them up. Tory grandees of the past must be spinning in their graves to see what their party has come to. A bunch of brainless idiots feeding the ego of a narcissistic man-child, while they wreck the country around them.

    I can't wait to see what the county says to them in May. A pretty loud "fuck off" is my prediction.
    When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
    Quote Originally Posted by George Carlin
    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Adams
    It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The reason British people will vote for Boris again and again is that they support him. His Rwanda plan for example...

    Voters back plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda by two to one, poll reveals.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-critics.html

    Why were the fringe yet vocal minority moaning about it again on here?

    Every time our Boris makes a policy decision, the rest of the world follows a few weeks or months later. Whether it's a position on Ukraine, Covid, the EU, or illegal immigrants our UK leader of the free world decides how best to respond with the innovative solutions first. It is a piece of cake for him.

    He is going nowhere, the UK is lucky to have him and the fantastic Conservative team that surround him, is truly a great leader the whole world needs right now. Imagine the current circumstances if Corbyn had prevailed? I fear those that wish Boris failure in 2024 are going to be sadly disappointed...
    That's interesting phrasing in the polled question but it does serve to highlight the disconnect between what Twitter thinks and what Country actually thinks. I do wonder how much the results would have differed had the question been accurate reflection of the proposed policy, I suspect that people just want something done - whatever it is - and would therefore guess it would not change by much. To be honest I would not be at all surprised if senior Tories are hoping that our friendly Kimono wearing, baseball wielding QC clubs it down, in the courts, like a fox on a Boxing day morning, which would allow them to point out that they had tried to deal with the issue whilst not actually doing anything and shift the blame to courts.

    I agree that Johnson is going nowhere, at least for the foreseeable, mainly due to there not being a suitable replacement (especially now Rishi has blown his chances). I also don't think a massive defeat in the locals will make much material difference to the current Tory leadership and a strong Labour showing might well be the kick up the arse the Tories need and end up being the worst outcome for Starmer. But time will tell.

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    That's interesting phrasing in the polled question but it does serve to highlight the disconnect between what Twitter thinks and what Country actually thinks. I do wonder how much the results would have differed had the question been accurate reflection of the proposed policy, I suspect that people just want something done - whatever it is - and would therefore guess it would not change by much. To be honest I would not be at all surprised if senior Tories are hoping that our friendly Kimono wearing, baseball wielding QC clubs it down, in the courts, like a fox on a Boxing day morning, which would allow them to point out that they had tried to deal with the issue whilst not actually doing anything and shift the blame to courts.

    I agree that Johnson is going nowhere, at least for the foreseeable, mainly due to there not being a suitable replacement (especially now Rishi has blown his chances). I also don't think a massive defeat in the locals will make much material difference to the current Tory leadership and a strong Labour showing might well be the kick up the arse the Tories need and end up being the worst outcome for Starmer. But time will tell.
    I'm intrigued by what you would want from the Conservative party moving forward? I can't wrap my head around why Centre Right Conservatives wouldn't vote for Centre Right Kier Starmer in the light of just how utterly devoid of....well everything. The modern Conservative party is made of human simulacra like Patel and Raab, the Brexit fantasist mob like Barclay and the plain stupid like Nadine.

    What exactly can they offer policy wise that a very sensible Centre Right Kier Starmer wont be giving you?

    Illuminate me.

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    I'm intrigued by what you would want from the Conservative party moving forward? I can't wrap my head around why Centre Right Conservatives wouldn't vote for Centre Right Kier Starmer in the light of just how utterly devoid of....well everything. The modern Conservative party is made of human simulacra like Patel and Raab, the Brexit fantasist mob like Barclay and the plain stupid like Nadine.

    What exactly can they offer policy wise that a very sensible Centre Right Kier Starmer wont be giving you?

    Illuminate me.
    He's basically just said that if Labour do well in the May elections, it will be bad for them. I'm guessing he would say exactly the same thing if Labour didn't do well in the May elections. It's pretty clear where he's standing.

    But most likely he will respond with nit-picking of your post, and a suggestion that you're seeing things that simply aren't there. "Conversations" with Pann tend to follow a well worn route.
    When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
    Quote Originally Posted by George Carlin
    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Adams
    It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    I'm intrigued by what you would want from the Conservative party moving forward? I can't wrap my head around why Centre Right Conservatives wouldn't vote for Centre Right Kier Starmer in the light of just how utterly devoid of....well everything. The modern Conservative party is made of human simulacra like Patel and Raab, the Brexit fantasist mob like Barclay and the plain stupid like Nadine.

    What exactly can they offer policy wise that a very sensible Centre Right Kier Starmer wont be giving you?

    Illuminate me.
    I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. I haven't stated an opinion on what I want I have simply stated what I think might happen (obviously I could be completely wrong) but I do realise that some, especially on these forums, struggle with the concept that what someone thinks might happen is not the same as what they want to happen.

    For the record I have not decided who I will vote for in the upcoming Locals, let alone the next GE, both parties' candidates (the Lib Dems are still furloughed from what I can gather) look lacklustre from where I'm sitting and I am struggling with complete apathy towards our political parties so I am leaning towards not bothering, if you're really interested.

  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. I haven't stated an opinion on what I want I have simply stated what I think might happen (obviously I could be completely wrong) but I do realise that some, especially on these forums, struggle with the concept that what someone thinks might happen is not the same as what they want to happen.

    For the record I have not decided who I will vote for in the upcoming Locals, let alone the next GE, both parties' candidates (the Lib Dems are still furloughed from what I can gather) look lacklustre from where I'm sitting and I am struggling with complete apathy towards our political parties so I am leaning towards not bothering, if you're really interested.
    Anyone in the UK who is apathetic about voting in the face of what the Tories are currently doing has no right expressing any opinion on politics. Full stop.

    Either you are on board with sending immigrants to a country still struggling with human rights abuses, despite it likely being illegal under UK law, or you aren't. Either you accept that our PM can ignore his own laws and refuse to resign, or you don't. Either you are happy to let water companies pump raw sewage into our rivers and seas or you aren't. Either you accept the laughable incompetence of the Tories effort to fix the damage of Brexit, or you don't. Either you are happy with the monumental waste of taxpayer money during the Covid pandemic, or you aren't. Cost of living. The investigation into Russian involvement in our politics not being published. The failure to tax those companies and people that have made fortunes during the last few years. And on, and on, and on.

    And that's the tip of the shitberg with this bunch currently pretending to run the country. If you're sitting there saying you're apathetic at this point, what you really mean is you're happy with what they're doing, but you're slightly ashamed so you aren't going to admit it. But I'm sure you'll be trying to put me straight about what you really mean any minute now.
    When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
    Quote Originally Posted by George Carlin
    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Adams
    It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

  15. #255
    The Lightbringer dribbles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    The Sunny Uplands
    Posts
    3,424
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    That's interesting phrasing in the polled question but it does serve to highlight the disconnect between what Twitter thinks and what Country actually thinks. I do wonder how much the results would have differed had the question been accurate reflection of the proposed policy, I suspect that people just want something done - whatever it is - and would therefore guess it would not change by much. To be honest I would not be at all surprised if senior Tories are hoping that our friendly Kimono wearing, baseball wielding QC clubs it down, in the courts, like a fox on a Boxing day morning, which would allow them to point out that they had tried to deal with the issue whilst not actually doing anything and shift the blame to courts.

    I agree that Johnson is going nowhere, at least for the foreseeable, mainly due to there not being a suitable replacement (especially now Rishi has blown his chances). I also don't think a massive defeat in the locals will make much material difference to the current Tory leadership and a strong Labour showing might well be the kick up the arse the Tories need and end up being the worst outcome for Starmer. But time will tell.
    I won't be voting in the local elections, never have and am quite happy with how my bins are collected. I reserve that mighty pen for the GE.

    I agree that it is possible the Rwanda thing might be stopped by the courts and others, who by and in what timescale, it won't be stopped by the Tories after all? Couple of years perhaps? Excellent timing for the next General Election. The Tories will say what they would do and have tried to do, the UK public (not most on this forum obvs) seem to give broad support and perhaps it will be a manifesto pledge. What will Labour do to counter? Have they even got any alternative? Seems an excellent vote winning Tory trap for Labour and the Lib Dem to me.

    When the housing crisis gets worse, how do you argue for unfettered illegal immigration creating the equivalent of a new city every year and the housing demand that goes with that.

    The makings of a next Tory policy general election victory is being born before our very eyes. And those that advocate against the shipping of refugees to Rwanda for processing are enabling it.

    The Tories can't lose this argument.
    In a recent poll 64,831 UK voters were given the opportunity to vote for Rejoin EU and 151 did this, but 64,680 did not.source
    In a more recent poll 82,314 UK voters were given the opportunity to vote for Rejoin EU and 58 did this, but 82,256 did not.source

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I won't be voting in the local elections, never have and am quite happy with how my bins are collected. I reserve that mighty pen for the GE.

    I agree that it is possible the Rwanda thing might be stopped by the courts and others, who by and in what timescale, it won't be stopped by the Tories after all? Couple of years perhaps? Excellent timing for the next General Election. The Tories will say what they would do and have tried to do, the UK public (not most on this forum obvs) seem to give broad support and perhaps it will be a manifesto pledge. What will Labour do to counter? Have they even got any alternative? Seems an excellent vote winning Tory trap for Labour and the Lib Dem to me.

    When the housing crisis gets worse, how do you argue for unfettered illegal immigration creating the equivalent of a new city every year and the housing demand that goes with that.

    The makings of a next Tory policy general election victory is being born before our very eyes. And those that advocate against the shipping of refugees to Rwanda for processing are enabling it.

    The Tories can't lose this argument.
    I think the Rwanda policy is a distraction for a problem that no-one has a solution to and the Tories fully expect it to challenged in the courts. I agree that is poses a particular problem for Labour as they oppose the policy - rightly in my opinion - but they have nothing to offer other than saying the policy is wrong.

    I certainly don't think that victory is assured for the Tories in the next GE nor do I think all is lost for them even if they keep Johnson. I guess it will depend on how badly BoJo fucks up (which he has proved more than capable of) between now and then but if he manages to come across as contrite enough regarding partygate and continues with the good job he is doing with regard to Ukraine I can see them taking it, albeit with a reduced majority, come 2024.

  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    So...pay more to send them down to Rwanda, cover some of the costs there, and then pay to bring them back?
    Something unfortunately (or intentionally) misrepresented by most of the reporting on the proposed system is that this is a system for offshoring the UK asylum process when it's not that at all - there's no process for people to return to the UK, their asylum claims here are ignored once they leave. When people arrive in Rwanda, they have the choice to apply for asylum in Rwanda, if successful they remain in Rwanda, if unsuccessful or if they decide not to apply Rwanda can attempt to deport them to a 4th country, or (most likely) they can pay to be smuggled back to Europe and the process starts all over again.

    The "problem" currently is that a very large % of the people choosing to cross the channel in a tiny boat do have a genuine claim to asylum in this country under our own criteria (for 2021 the success rate before appeal for people involved in small boat landings was 71% prior to appeal and 48% of appeals succeeded). Some stats on nationalities and success rates before appeal:


    So if this system was allowing people with successful asylum applications to return to the UK from Rwanda, something like 80%-85% of the people involved would be returning, which obviously does not "fix" what the Government views as the problem, people arriving in boats, it just makes the process longer and massively more expensive. Hence this proposal - if you arrive in the UK to apply for asylum, the UK deports you to Rwanda and chooses to forget about your existence until you manage to arrive in the UK again, at which point you are sent to Rwanda again, etc.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2022-04-17 at 09:29 AM.

  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    t just makes the process longer and massively more expensive.
    Boris' government in a nutshell, tbh.

  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. I haven't stated an opinion on what I want I have simply stated what I think might happen (obviously I could be completely wrong) but I do realise that some, especially on these forums, struggle with the concept that what someone thinks might happen is not the same as what they want to happen.

    For the record I have not decided who I will vote for in the upcoming Locals, let alone the next GE, both parties' candidates (the Lib Dems are still furloughed from what I can gather) look lacklustre from where I'm sitting and I am struggling with complete apathy towards our political parties so I am leaning towards not bothering, if you're really interested.
    No, you're right. I made a reach there but you are the only Righty on the forum who I would bother to actually engage with and since the current state of our Politics is leaving you apathetic with the current Opposition being positioned in the Centre then what sort of policies would you approve of?

    Starmer leaves me pretty cold too but I honestly can't fathom anyone who isn't a Brexiteer Fantasist not wanting to get the Conservatives out of government right now.

    We have 3 major political parties on the very similar/the same economic platform, Kier Starmer will not "DESTROY THE ECONOMY!!!", so all there is to vote on is basically the Culture War and you have never struck me as someone who is worried about the Trans' winning at sports.

    So yeah, I'm interested in your takes.

  20. #260
    The Lightbringer dribbles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    The Sunny Uplands
    Posts
    3,424
    Labour's problems stem from them and their supporters thinking Boris is centre right. He isn't, you don't get elected as Mayor of London, twice, by in any way being right wing. He even recently defined himself as a "Brexity Hezza" and could almost be at home in the Labour party under a Blair type leadership. He certainly wouldn't be comfy in a Thatcher style Tory party. Now there was a proper right wing government...

    That and Keir Starmer being as exciting as watching paint dry, Labour are doomed I tell you, doomed.

    I just wish we had a proper Conservative govenrment in power, but until an electable one pops out of the woodwork as they surely will at some point, Boris is better than anything else currently on the market. The damage done to the Conservatives by Camerons alliance with Cleggs Lib Dems is still not fully undone, but it is getting there.
    In a recent poll 64,831 UK voters were given the opportunity to vote for Rejoin EU and 151 did this, but 64,680 did not.source
    In a more recent poll 82,314 UK voters were given the opportunity to vote for Rejoin EU and 58 did this, but 82,256 did not.source

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •